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Old 28-01-2017, 02:03 AM
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A Little About Mystical Christianity...

Before we can understand God we must have an idea of His great purpose in creation. it is true that we are His children, all of us. It is true that He has spoken to us all through prominent figures in history and that much of this was eventually compiled into books which formed the basis of what would become our holy scriptures, the Bible. It is true that God sent His Son to Earth to teach humanity and, through His sacrifice, open a door allowing us a way home.

But what do we know, really, of God's purpose?

Consider this. In the beginning we are bid have faith. For a very long time this is sufficient but there always comes a time when faith graduates into sure knowledge. At this point we retain faith regarding those things we do not yet understand but we, at the same time, increase steadily our body of firm knowledge. So we see that there is a never ending movement in this process. Many times Jesus used the metaphor of parables to illustrate points to people. After they understood however they no longer needed the stories. This is the way it works.

As we gain in knowledge we necessarily apply it and gain experience. Through this are the many affirmations which follow. At a future time, sometimes after years of experience and reflection, we find that we have gained a bit of wisdom. This is the goal, the object, that God had in store for us all along. That we should gain in wisdom is a singular purpose of the effort of creation in the first place.

So we might now ask "why?". If we are able to simply earn forgiveness and be redeemed why do we need wisdom? What would be the point? Now comes the part which is well known to those who study esoteric Christianity.

God's purpose in creation is realized in His expressiveness. This is the crux of His being. To express, continually, is what God does. The plan is then that all of us should eventually acquire this very same skill. We are, each of us, to cooperate with the creator joining with Him in this grand design. Again this is a tenant which is hinted at in the Bible. We cannot see it until we learn to look behind, underneath and through the words and superficial ideas. This method of knowing was firmly in place and practiced by the Essenes long ago. Remember that Jesus was one. Remember that John the Baptist was also one. Jesus' temporal parents were both Essenes.

So now we see that truths are always layered. Depending on our point in spiritual growth we see one or another of these. "To each his or her own". Human beings are not all of the same spiritual age. This fact accounts for the many variations in religion. "To each according to his or her needs."

The expressiveness which is the livingness of God demands we progress from faith to knowledge and finally to wisdom. Further it demands that we then pick up a share of the burden of the great work which is exactly what so many ancient Biblical scholars were doing when they made so many grand pronouncements.

Separation from God is "sin". This is the truth of "original sin".

Christianity endures because it is truth. It also endures because of another reason. God did not create us all in an instant. New human souls are being born all the time, in heaven. These then come to Earth as new babes. They are not born in perfection but in perfect innocence. It is the act of leaving the Father and descending to a womb which is referred to by Christianity as being born into sin. When we realize that sin is nothing but a separation from God then we can easily understand this. The entire story of Adam and Eve and the snake is a metaphor for the creation and descent into purposeful living on Earth. To come to Earth in "banishment" was not because of anything that Adam and Eve did. It was the plan from the beginning. The parable of the apple and temptation is the necessary method of providing an understandable situation. It is time that those Christians who are also members on a spiritual forum to understand this.

New human souls are beginning long series of lifetimes on Earth every day while others who have completed the cycle are leaving. This is the way it is. This is the reason religions endure as they do. They are needed for the new souls to give them a firm foundation for the futures. Because at any point there are a majority of very young souls on Earth religions always have plenty of work.

Being born in separation from God is not a punishment. It is something that is very necessary to the fulfillment of God's great purpose. But would mankind have understood such a thing? No. The story must be phrased differently, placed in familiar context so that it would resemble, compliment, the living conditions found on the Earth so very long ago.

This information would not be appropriate for Christians who are not members of a spiritualist forum because parts of it stand in contrast to what they generally believe. However those who are both Christians and spiritualists have the right to hear a greater, more complete truth. What I have said just now was commonly known to the Essenes of long ago. The Christian who is also a spiritualist is very much like an Essene. We find, on the Earth for a very long time and today too, that each of the three great Abrahamic religions has a mystical branch. This is not without reason.

Spiritual advancement cannot be acquired in heaven. In the spiritual realms it is not possible for a soul to be in close association with negativity. It is only here on the physical Earth that the separation from God which is needed to learn, is available. Do we ask "why does God allow pain and suffering if He loves us?" It is because this is the only valid path to wisdom. That is the reason. Wisdom is the goal. It is not native to knowledge. It requires the hard tests of experience.

Religions endure on the Earth because they are needed. At any point in time on the Earth are mostly beginner souls with very little experience. These are the spiritual youth of the world. These are best bid to have faith in things because they are not yet experienced enough to be sustained by knowledge alone. Much, much later they will have moved forward towards wisdom which is the goal. The Earth is a classroom. Here souls come to learn and achieve. To achieve the wisdom which they will then use in the future. This process is so often vaguely referred to in Christianity's approach as being the benchmarks of forgiveness, redemption, salvation and resurrection. These words describe the greater plan which lays behind them.

As I said before it is felt that those good Christians who are also spiritually attuned are ready to hear a bit more of the story of God's purpose. But we still haven't been explicit. What exactly are we to do?

In the far distant future we, all of us, will become equal players in the expressiveness of our Father, God. For the time being this is as plain as we can get because of the limitations in understanding aspects of life which are so very far away. Suffice to say there is much, much more to our future than to simply obey and be rewarded. In the beginning these ideas are adequate but later the student is granted a wider horizon of understanding.

This message in no way contradicts the tenants of Christianity. It broadens them though. We now may have an idea of exactly who and what John the Baptist was for instance. Those who are curious might follow up with independent study of this group of God's knowingly cooperative disciples of old.

Faith is the basis of forgiveness.
Knowledge allows the actions which lead to redemption.
Wisdom is that desired quality which results from cooperative effort with God. The man or woman who has achieved this is said to have been resurrected.

Faith.... Knowledge.... Wisdom.... Action.... equals cooperative effort with God planned purpose.

For those who agree and find truth in this post I say good. For those who do not I say please forgive me for seeming assertive. I have no wish to intrude into anyone's religious comfort zones.


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Old 10-02-2017, 12:30 AM
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Bartholomew!
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This is literally everything I believe in. I've read a lot of Richard Rohr and now Ted Nottingham but I've contemplated on questions which answers I couldn't get from them and these are similar to the answers that have come to my mind.

When the early Christians said we were born "in sin" or suffering from "original sin" it was never meant to be a bad thing. It wasn't saying that we did anything wrong nor we were depraved.

It meant that Souls have chosen to experience a reality outside the presence of God, but it is not a true reality. It is a false reality. That is why we have a True self and false self. Adam and Eve came here to be the ones to get the ball rolling. You have to leave the nest to learn, develop, and grow up.

Unfortunately the main thing we suffer from in this 3rd dimension is Fear- false evidence appearing real, or false ego appearing real.

And yes definitely- some of us are old souls from a long journey of spiritual evolution and some are very new or newer souls from God. God is forever expanding and having "Children" like an infinite loving-all expanding Pervading Father-Mother.

I actually believe that many of the great Masters and enlightened Saints and mystics- Buddha, Teresa, Francis of Assisi, Lao Tzu, just to name the main ones were highly evolved old souls who grew in wisdom, knowledge, faith, and love through many lifetimes of growth and now flow in the oneness of the Christ Consciousness. Many of them are at higher levels of spiritually in the Heavenly realm. They've completed their sojourns in the Earth realm and some have come back time to time to be teachers or disincarnate Guides for the masses and individuals.

I would like to add that this since it is Mystical Christianity.

The Essenes were the only Jewish sect during the time of the 1st Century who were able to receive the "messiah". A lot of people kinda get confused with that word. And I've come to the understanding that messiah which means "The Anointed One" or Christ is not just a word for "a master" or just any holy person. You could say that there have been many Christs who walked the earth, people who had a conscious aware of the Christ-within and that Christ Consciousness worked through them to inspire and help others. But this is different.
What is so amazing and powerful to the point that you could be consumed by an avalanche of tears is who Jesus was.

I'd have to start with the Trinity. The Trinity: Father is Source, the Creator. The Son is that Creator's inner self consciousness and outwardly expressed and shared with all Creation. The Holy Spirit would be the Mother, the energy of the Father that brings forth all things. The Son is the Christ Consciousness or Christ-spirit both within and without us. Our very souls possess a consciousness which is a graft or a link to that overarching Universal consciousness. In that way we all share a oneness, we are parts of the Body of Christ.

Now God did not wait for a good person to get it right in order to express this great revelation. God decided in a way to break his own rules out of Love. We are meant to evolve on our own, no strings attached, left up to our own Free will in matter. But the Israelities who were the most devoted to God and agonizing for his presence brought a possibility. They didn't have a prophet for Four Hundred years and God coulda elected a spiritually gifted person in their midst for another great message or information. But no. This was different. This was planned from the beginning when Soul first began incarnating into Matter (since Adam and Eve). God decided to comfort these People and subsequently the whole world with what He/She/It moved to do.

From the very inner Life of the Divine, the Christ Consciousness or Christ Light (doesn't matter what word you use, it's just the 2nd Person of the Trinity), became a Soul individual. Meaning the Soul of Jesus was like our own soul, our own Self with a personality and unique creation from God to journey into God's expressiveness. The difference is that the Soul of Jesus and the Christ Consciousness were one and the same. Jesus didn't have the "Christ-within", he was the Christ communicating to us and speaking to us in a physical form. The Son of God, the 2nd Person, which is omnipresent and all-pervading- cosmic in the Universe; became a microcosmic individual entity who then became a physical human through the birth-death cycle we all go through.

That is why Jesus after his enlightenment did not say, "I have learned to become one with the Way" instead he said, "I am the Way". In his Soul while walking the Earth in a limited body could access the fullness of the Divine and any miracle or power could happen through him. But his human self and personality, his Soul tied to the body (son of man) needed to learn from temptation, trial, suffering etc. It wasn't until after his Baptism and desert trial could he manifest his Divinity. The reason is because the first 30 years of his life were him evolving his humanity and making sure it was perfectly attuned and in alignment with his all-pervading all loving Divinity. If Jesus had faltered he coulda become antichrist or a despot and lose connection with his divine Personhood. But since this was an Act of God, his entire Incarnation Jesus would prove that what God does, knows, and desired is always victorious.

Coming from Perfection, Jesus needed to return that gift back to our Source by becoming perfect in the flesh and proving himself.

A "messiah" is an Avatar. And there is always One promised to a particular Race or world in the universe. (That's my personal opinion). Jesus was the one given to us.

(God spoke through our ancestors first in prophets and kings but in these days he spoke through a Son). "A Son" is an avatar of the universal Son.

This is why so many religions point to the Sun in the sky as an emblem of God. It is not God Itself from beyond which would be the Transcendent Source, instead the Sun represents the Immanent Offspring of the Source in all creation which is the Source manifested in form and expression.

The fact that a perfect God-incarnate person walked the earth as one of us tells us- We are loved, it is good to be human, it is just School, there is nothing to Fear, there is no Death, we will become divinized in the End, and we all return to God divinely perfected in oneness with God.
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Bartholomew!
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This is literally everything I believe in. I've read a lot of Richard Rohr and now Ted Nottingham but I've contemplated on questions which answers I couldn't get from them and these are similar to the answers that have come to my mind.

When the early Christians said we were born "in sin" or suffering from "original sin" it was never meant to be a bad thing. It wasn't saying that we did anything wrong nor we were depraved.

It meant that Souls have chosen to experience a reality outside the presence of God, but it is not a true reality. It is a false reality. That is why we have a True self and false self. Adam and Eve came here to be the ones to get the ball rolling. You have to leave the nest to learn, develop, and grow up.

Unfortunately the main thing we suffer from in this 3rd dimension is Fear- false evidence appearing real, or false ego appearing real.

And yes definitely- some of us are old souls from a long journey of spiritual evolution and some are very new or newer souls from God. God is forever expanding and having "Children" like an infinite loving-all expanding Pervading Father-Mother.

I actually believe that many of the great Masters and enlightened Saints and mystics- Buddha, Teresa, Francis of Assisi, Lao Tzu, just to name the main ones were highly evolved old souls who grew in wisdom, knowledge, faith, and love through many lifetimes of growth and now flow in the oneness of the Christ Consciousness. Many of them are at higher levels of spiritually in the Heavenly realm. They've completed their sojourns in the Earth realm and some have come back time to time to be teachers or disincarnate Guides for the masses and individuals.

I would like to add that this since it is Mystical Christianity.

The Essenes were the only Jewish sect during the time of the 1st Century who were able to receive the "messiah". A lot of people kinda get confused with that word. And I've come to the understanding that messiah which means "The Anointed One" or Christ is not just a word for "a master" or just any holy person. You could say that there have been many Christs who walked the earth, people who had a conscious aware of the Christ-within and that Christ Consciousness worked through them to inspire and help others. But this is different.
What is so amazing and powerful to the point that you could be consumed by an avalanche of tears is who Jesus was.

I'd have to start with the Trinity. The Trinity: Father is Source, the Creator. The Son is that Creator's inner self consciousness and outwardly expressed and shared with all Creation. The Holy Spirit would be the Mother, the energy of the Father that brings forth all things. The Son is the Christ Consciousness or Christ-spirit both within and without us. Our very souls possess a consciousness which is a graft or a link to that overarching Universal consciousness. In that way we all share a oneness, we are parts of the Body of Christ.

Now God did not wait for a good person to get it right in order to express this great revelation. God decided in a way to break his own rules out of Love. We are meant to evolve on our own, no strings attached, left up to our own Free will in matter. But the Israelities who were the most devoted to God and agonizing for his presence brought a possibility. They didn't have a prophet for Four Hundred years and God coulda elected a spiritually gifted person in their midst for another great message or information. But no. This was different. This was planned from the beginning when Soul first began incarnating into Matter (since Adam and Eve). God decided to comfort these People and subsequently the whole world with what He/She/It moved to do.

From the very inner Life of the Divine, the Christ Consciousness or Christ Light (doesn't matter what word you use, it's just the 2nd Person of the Trinity), became a Soul individual. Meaning the Soul of Jesus was like our own soul, our own Self with a personality and unique creation from God to journey into God's expressiveness. The difference is that the Soul of Jesus and the Christ Consciousness were one and the same. Jesus didn't have the "Christ-within", he was the Christ communicating to us and speaking to us in a physical form. The Son of God, the 2nd Person, which is omnipresent and all-pervading- cosmic in the Universe; became a microcosmic individual entity who then became a physical human through the birth-death cycle we all go through.

That is why Jesus after his enlightenment did not say, "I have learned to become one with the Way" instead he said, "I am the Way". In his Soul while walking the Earth in a limited body could access the fullness of the Divine and any miracle or power could happen through him. But his human self and personality, his Soul tied to the body (son of man) needed to learn from temptation, trial, suffering etc. It wasn't until after his Baptism and desert trial could he manifest his Divinity. The reason is because the first 30 years of his life were him evolving his humanity and making sure it was perfectly attuned and in alignment with his all-pervading all loving Divinity. If Jesus had faltered he coulda become antichrist or a despot and lose connection with his divine Personhood. But since this was an Act of God, his entire Incarnation Jesus would prove that what God does, knows, and desired is always victorious.

Coming from Perfection, Jesus needed to return that gift back to our Source by becoming perfect in the flesh and proving himself.

A "messiah" is an Avatar. And there is always One promised to a particular Race or world in the universe. (That's my personal opinion). Jesus was the one given to us.

(God spoke through our ancestors first in prophets and kings but in these days he spoke through a Son). "A Son" is an avatar of the universal Son.

This is why so many religions point to the Sun in the sky as an emblem of God. It is not God Itself from beyond which would be the Transcendent Source, instead the Sun represents the Immanent Offspring of the Source in all creation which is the Source manifested in form and expression.

The fact that a perfect God-incarnate person walked the earth as one of us tells us- We are loved, it is good to be human, it is just School, there is nothing to Fear, there is no Death, we will become divinized in the End, and we all return to God divinely perfected in oneness with God.


WOW right back at you brother. I think you have it figured out. Good post.

James
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