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Old 07-10-2016, 07:30 AM
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Jo Mc - Chime Rinpoche was saying it’s not easy to mediate among distractions such as city noise. I think that’s true that it’s not easy, but not impossible. If you have learned the skill of drowning out noise in order to concentrate on your breath, thoughts, meditation music or what have you then what Alan Watts said is true.

I think of a boiler room being loud and uncomfortably hot and yet if you can’t meditate in there, than I suppose the sentiment is one is not doing it well.

I used to live in a very crowded city neighborhood not far from busy cross streets and a nearby expressway. I found it very difficult to meditate among the neighborhood noise, construction noise and road noise around me. But then again, I’m not very skilled at meditation and I admit that. I would always put on headphones and listen to guided meditation music. After a while I would think I was ready to take the headphones off and just observe my breath and tune out all the outside distractions, but I couldn’t.

So I guess my comment was derived from personal experience and if you are able to meditate in a big city, you’ve indeed mastered meditation!

Yes, i got used to background noises from a City and could meditate quite well but I also made sure to get a morning routine going, like to meditate in the morning when it was quiet enough etc. Some people i remember recommended meditating at night, i could see the benefits of course but never got around to it, plus i was a bit frightened of disturbing my work routine etc. and i think I was wise in this respect.

I was just thinking, perhaps Chime was thinking about beginners. Meditation is definitely a bit like riding a bike, although i know that is an awful analogy lol. Even so, as a beginner it's important imo to go to monasteries retreats, days, places of quiet to get a taste for it, and then you can meditate with greater ease in noisey places etc. You develop the skill. How far you take it is up to you. We were discussing yesterday in Sf about jnanas which are states of meditative absorption in theravadin buddhism. there are 8 specific states which have definite characteristics.. but to enter these states, if one ever does, you need very deep quiet, and other factors too. Is that what meditation is about ? I don't think its all about that at all ?

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Old 08-10-2016, 06:19 PM
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Chi is the force of life, which comes and goes, is replenished and expended. It is the circle of Being which has no beginning and no end. I was wondering this morning if our purpose is first to align ourselves or harmonise with Nature, therefore, life, and this will increase chi, much like a current of electricity is switched on, We can increase physical stamina etc. .but isn't this just the same as saying we can increase the battery size in a circuit of electricity for example ? Without the connection and alignment there is no power no matter what size antennae is channeling that power ? Thanks. Just a couple of observations and questions i felt inspired to write.

I wrote this in another thread but have pasted it here as it seems relevant to your question.

there is a phenomena I remembered when I was at college regarding the resonant frequency of a circuit, once that resonant frequency was found for that particular circuit, there was virtually no resistance and it gave out maximum voltage and maximum current....its like it never notices the resistors or other resistive components of the circuit, there was no conflict with its parts at all and it had maximum energy as well...it hit a nail for me anyway!

so that would mean to me aligning the mental and physical systems so that there is no overall incoherence in any of these two, so that no unnecessary energy is wasted as in generating fear and anger or conflict within itself, it only responds in a relevant and measured way...so that it conserves energy....that's my angle on it anyway.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:14 AM
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I wrote this in another thread but have pasted it here as it seems relevant to your question.

there is a phenomena I remembered when I was at college regarding the resonant frequency of a circuit, once that resonant frequency was found for that particular circuit, there was virtually no resistance and it gave out maximum voltage and maximum current....its like it never notices the resistors or other resistive components of the circuit, there was no conflict with its parts at all and it had maximum energy as well...it hit a nail for me anyway!

so that would mean to me aligning the mental and physical systems so that there is no overall incoherence in any of these two, so that no unnecessary energy is wasted as in generating fear and anger or conflict within itself, it only responds in a relevant and measured way...so that it conserves energy....that's my angle on it anyway.

That's very interesting and thank you for sharing. I'm sympathetic with this idea, i mean i can feel a truth in it. The idea about resistance also seems to me to be true. I was also exploring the idea of 'Rest' which paradoxically is where the source of energy lies ? Perhaps Potentiality is a better term? I think this idea exists in Electro Magnetism, im not great with scientific stuff ?
So often i hear about the mechanics of the circuit lets say which is the human body and how the movement of chi is felt etc. but ive often wondered when i felt aligned to something deeper through meditation or tai chi if this energy was somehow sourced and felt as energy at rest. ..Hey it's hard to explain lol...what do you think ?
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:56 AM
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That's very interesting and thank you for sharing. I'm sympathetic with this idea, i mean i can feel a truth in it. The idea about resistance also seems to me to be true. I was also exploring the idea of 'Rest' which paradoxically is where the source of energy lies ? Perhaps Potentiality is a better term? I think this idea exists in Electro Magnetism, im not great with scientific stuff ?
So often i hear about the mechanics of the circuit lets say which is the human body and how the movement of chi is felt etc. but ive often wondered when i felt aligned to something deeper through meditation or tai chi if this energy was somehow sourced and felt as energy at rest. ..Hey it's hard to explain lol...what do you think ?


I think the switch over to a state of harmony and flow is one to do with awareness and not necassarily one to do with training the body .but i feel this is can be an important part too. What i was also trying to get at was some kind of state of rest..im not great on Psychics or Electro-magneticism

I would go along with the view that it's when the body and mind are at rest and very still that is when the energy or chi starts to gather, this energy is then as a consequence of that stillness or rest collects in energy centres in the body, as more chi is collected it spills over and flows in to the other energy reservoirs, as it does so you may experience heightened sensitivity which can amplify your existing senses....which for me the first experience was my hearing went off the normal charts, as I started hearing minute things like spiders walking on walls and other creatures that were walking around outside in the garden....other sensitivities can be aquired as a result of the energy opening up the other centres in the body...so rest and stillness is an important part in gathering chi in my view.
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Old 10-10-2016, 06:48 AM
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I would go along with the view that it's when the body and mind are at rest and very still that is when the energy or chi starts to gather, this energy is then as a consequence of that stillness or rest collects in energy centres in the body, as more chi is collected it spills over and flows in to the other energy reservoirs, as it does so you may experience heightened sensitivity which can amplify your existing senses....which for me the first experience was my hearing went off the normal charts, as I started hearing minute things like spiders walking on walls and other creatures that were walking around outside in the garden....other sensitivities can be aquired as a result of the energy opening up the other centres in the body...so rest and stillness is an important part in gathering chi in my view.

Yes i totally agree with you and ive had some of these phenomena happen to me too within the context of a general heightened sensitivity. There was no warning on the tin and i didn't read about what could happen in any book tbh. Stillness and rest as you say definitely open a gate and lead to a stillness which is alive.
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