TF and mental illness

[John Elessar]

Originally Posted by xAnderblAze

Whats this runner thing you speak of?

One (or both) of the parties runs away from the connection once their emotional comfort envelope is pushed too far or punctured (do a search here on the term as soon as your post count allows). Happened to me (she ran), was amazed to come here and discover that it was a very common thing, and not the very rare exception that I thought it was, in a world where almost every single TS couple surely is happily skipping down the Road of Life, hand in hand, smiles emblazoned on their faces, with nary a care in the world. I mean, right?

l believe it's much healthier to ignore mainstream therapists and psychiatrists because 99% of them haven't got a clue about the Twinsoul phenomenon or have any Spiritual knowledge at all. A few exceptional one's like R.D Laing perhaps, have a deeper perception of Spiritual matters. The others [with their labels] you can safely sweep under the carpet out of harms way.
lt's a fact that no-one knows what causes the majority of mental illness [there is no such thing as chemical imbalance apparently] unless it's a brain lesion or something like that. Do you know that most psychiatrists just get their diagnostic labels from a large textbook they update every so often called the DSM. Here is a description of it:

The Diagnostic & Statistical Manual is psychiatry's deadliest scam. It includes 374 "disorders" and counting..... but zero cures.

Life can be a real adventure: hot, fast, slow or sad, often filled with ups and downs - sometimes very serious. But according to psychiatrists, any part of life can be labeled a mental illness

And here's a youtube vid on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn0mg...eature=related

I would so, SO love to talk to a therapist/psychologist who fully believes in and understands TFs. I know there are lots of spiritual advisers and such, but so many of them are just scam artists. Its very hard to know who to trust.

I can't blame them TOO much for not knowing about TFs though. Honestly, there's no way to understand the power and reality of these connections, until you experience it yourself. I certainly never did, until I met mine.

Originally Posted by wetherspoonred

l believe it's much healthier to ignore mainstream therapists and psychiatrists because 99% of them haven't got a clue about the Twinsoul phenomenon or have any Spiritual knowledge at all. A few exceptional one's like R.D Laing perhaps, have a deeper perception of Spiritual matters. The others [with their labels] you can safely sweep under the carpet out of harms way.
lt's a fact that no-one knows what causes the majority of mental illness [there is no such thing as chemical imbalance apparently] unless it's a brain lesion or something like that. Do you know that most psychiatrists just get their diagnostic labels from a large textbook they update every so often called the DSM. Here is a description of it:



And here's a youtube vid on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn0mg...eature=related

Dunno you know. As well as having worked in mental health myself, with people who had severe illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia, I suffered a serious depression in my early twenties and the only thing that got me out of it was a certain tricycylic antidepressant that I credit to this day with saving my life. I was literally numb before I was precribed it, I cannot even begin to describe just how dead inside I was.
And so I really mean it when I say that I believe chemical imbalances are genuine, because I had one and medication cured it. Without it, I believe I would have committed suicide by now - that is how bad the depression was. I was beyond psychological help/therapy at the time. I think up to a certain point therapy and sort of 'mental reframing techniques' work, but once depression gets severe, the brain chemistry truly is knocked off and needs the right medication to stabilise it.
For me it took over a decade on the antidepressant, with reducing dosage every few years. For the past 6 months or so I have been trying to do without it and so far so good.
This is because my brain chemistry is now working at or close to normal levels meaning I am my own true self again and am receptive to therapy/working on emotional issues on a logical level, but it took over a decade to get it there.
There were times over the years when I tried to do without it but could only go without for a few weeks before I began to go seriously downhill. It's not something you have mental control over - it's outside of your 'Self', kind of like feeling a pain in your leg or having a stomach bug. It's in your body, you can feel it and know it's there but you can't mentally wish it away - you need physical treatment.
This is the longest I have ever gone completely without it, and I am so happy. I still get wobbly days where I think I might need 10mg or so but so far so good
So, while I do agree that medication should be avoided in mild-moderate cases of depression, and maybe even bipolar and schizophrenia, I think it is abslutely necesssary in severe cases when a person is so detached from reality that they are not even there anymore. I think most mental illnesses have an emotional/psychological basis, but if they are left untreated for too long (like mine was over about 7 years) they need medication to bring the chemistry back into balance.
This has been my personal experience, anyhow, and I am someone who has a deep professional interest in psychology to the point that I planned to go into it (hence my last job) and then my writing career took off! So I do have some knowledge about this subject - I worked closely with psychiatrists, nurses and psychologists in my last job, and I am familiar with the DSM V (new one, it used to be DSM IV) Patients are assessed very carefully and they don't just pluck diagnoses out of it. You'd be surprised how similar symptoms of the same illnesses are in different patients, so there is a reason that they group and label symptoms like this.
My point is that medication doesn't cure the whole illness, and psychiatrist would probably tell you the same thing. All it does, in my experience, is bring the brain chemistry back into balance so that the personality is returned to normal, and the person can then work jointly with a psychologist/self help book/forum like this to discover the emotional root of the illness, set about helaing it and cure themselves in this way. The cure comes from the patient themselves but if they're swinging from the rooftops calling themselves the Messiah incarnate they need medication fast because this is not who they really are! They are the first to admit it too, once the medication begins to work, and they're like 'OMG did I really do that?!' x

Originally Posted by WhiteWolfSpirit

I would so, SO love to talk to a therapist/psychologist who fully believes in and understands TFs. I know there are lots of spiritual advisers and such, but so many of them are just scam artists. Its very hard to know who to trust.

I can't blame them TOO much for not knowing about TFs though. Honestly, there's no way to understand the power and reality of these connections, until you experience it yourself. I certainly never did, until I met mine.

It's like finding a spiritual person anywhere really. Psychologists are scientists just as much as psychiatrists are - their qualification is a science one. Distinction is that a psychiatrist is a medical doctor who has specialised in mental health issues, and works with the patient's brain from a biological standpoint (hence they prescribe medication) where a psychologist is someone who works with the personality of the patient. Combine the two and generally you get a good outcome, though the idea is that a person can get to see a psychologist before their issues get so severe that they develop into illness and they need a psychiatrist
I'd be tempted to say that you're more likely to find a spiritually minded person among the psychologists because of the way they work with the personality/mindset of the patient (as opposed to the medical/biologically focused mindset of the psychiatrists) but I'm sure there are plenty of spiritual people among medics who believe in TFs.
I think it's possible to find them but I think it's still alittle known concept, and even ridiculed by some New Agers, and so it would be difficult to discover those people without taking a personal risk at being ridiculed ourselves! x

I don't have a lot of experience with diagnosed illnesses but I wonder if that is more to do with the country I am from rather than the fact that I don't know people with mental illnessed :)

My thoughts are as Eric mentioned things do happen for a reason - as Twin Souls the purpose of being here is to cleanse templates from within Soul Groups - it is no accident that some TF experiences also are dealing with mental illnesses or addictions or sexual abuse emotional issues - we are cleansing historical templates and part of the TF initial union is to bring forth those deep set templates in order for cleansing to occur - medication has its place to stabilize behavior or emotions however some deep soul level healing and etheric cleansing also needs to happen too - IMO at least :)

Originally Posted by Loving_Soul

I don't have a lot of experience with diagnosed illnesses but I wonder if that is more to do with the country I am from rather than the fact that I don't know people with mental illnessed :)

My thoughts are as Eric mentioned things do happen for a reason - as Twin Souls the purpose of being here is to cleanse templates from within Soul Groups - it is no accident that some TF experiences also are dealing with mental illnesses or addictions or sexual abuse emotional issues - we are cleansing historical templates and part of the TF initial union is to bring forth those deep set templates in order for cleansing to occur - medication has its place to stabilize behavior or emotions however some deep soul level healing and etheric cleansing also needs to happen too - IMO at least :)

I totally agree with you LS, and to this day I still believe that my illness had a spiritual basis despite my belief that the medication helped me. In fact, I think it was a wake up call to my family because for 7 years they had ignored me when I needed emotional support. I think Spirit deliberately brought it on to get me the help I needed. My personality/mood had been steadily declining from my early teen years and I knew there was something very wrong but my parents had ridiculed my concerns.
By the time it hit in my early 20s, I was not myself - I was a shell of the girl I once was. That antidepressant made me myself again and it was amazing. Once my mood was physically brought back into balance, then I could begin the psychological/spiritual work.
Since then, this has been happening I think and I am now back to the person I was before the illness, and on the arts career road I was on before, the one I was supposed to be on. x

Originally Posted by TravellingTwin

I totally agree with you LS, and to this day I still believe that my illness had a spiritual basis despite my belief that the medication helped me. In fact, I think it was a wake up call to my family because for 7 years they had ignored me when I needed emotional support. I think Spirit deliberately brought it on to get me the help I needed. My personality/mood had been steadily declining from my early teen years and I knew there was something very wrong but my parents had ridiculed my concerns.
By the time it hit in my early 20s, I was not myself - I was a shell of the girl I once was. That antidepressant made me myself again and it was amazing. Once my mood was physically brought back into balance, then I could begin the psychological/spiritual work.
Since then, this has been happening I think and I am now back to the person I was before the illness, and on the arts career road I was on before, the one I was supposed to be on. x

Good for you hun x

So much of what this personal journey is about is finding our way home again - not to a place - but home to our true self - then we can truly embrace our full potential and purpose :)

Originally Posted by TravellingTwin

I totally agree with you LS, and to this day I still believe that my illness had a spiritual basis despite my belief that the medication helped me. In fact, I think it was a wake up call to my family because for 7 years they had ignored me when I needed emotional support. I think Spirit deliberately brought it on to get me the help I needed. My personality/mood had been steadily declining from my early teen years and I knew there was something very wrong but my parents had ridiculed my concerns.
By the time it hit in my early 20s, I was not myself - I was a shell of the girl I once was. That antidepressant made me myself again and it was amazing. Once my mood was physically brought back into balance, then I could begin the psychological/spiritual work.
Since then, this has been happening I think and I am now back to the person I was before the illness, and on the arts career road I was on before, the one I was supposed to be on. x

I've reached the conclusion that most mental illness is the result of a person not being true to themselves, fighting against their true nature, resisting it. Whether that is due to external influences (societal expectations, family, a spouse) or internal ones.

I agree with you that medication is sometimes necessary, when the condition has gone too far. And that it can be just the ticket to get a person back on track long enough for other methods, such as therapy, to take effect.

It's well known that mental illness has less of a debilitating effect in cultures that view it not as a disorder, but as a mystical gift. Suicide rates are lower, etc. I.e., the person who has visions and hallucinations is treated not as crazy, but elevated to level of shaman. In first world countries we are so far away from that, but I acknowledge it is a positive step that in general people have become more accepting of such diagnoses, more willing to admit they've gone through depression, more willing to go on to meds and not see it as something we don't talk about.

Originally Posted by SerpentQueen

I've reached the conclusion that most mental illness is the result of a person not being true to themselves, fighting against their true nature, resisting it. Whether that is due to external influences (societal expectations, family, a spouse) or internal ones.

I agree with you that medication is sometimes necessary, when the condition has gone too far. And that it can be just the ticket to get a person back on track long enough for other methods, such as therapy, to take effect.

It's well known that mental illness has less of a debilitating effect in cultures that view it not as a disorder, but as a mystical gift. Suicide rates are lower, etc. I.e., the person who has visions and hallucinations is treated not as crazy, but elevated to level of shaman. In first world countries we are so far away from that, but I acknowledge it is a positive step that in general people have become more accepting of such diagnoses, more willing to admit they've gone through depression, more willing to go on to meds and not see it as something we don't talk about.

Spot on SQ. I still think that for a lot of so-called 'schizophrenic' patients, for example, that the voices they hear and the hallucinations they see are actually the spirit world. I agree that mental illness develops when the soul becomes at odds with the outer world in some way, most definitely. I've always thought there was a spiritual dimension to it, for sure. The only downside I think is if the person becomes completely lost in that world, because at some point I think they have to go through the illness and come out the other side with a more enlightened, more authentic, 'new' relationship with the outer world. I think this is where medication helps - to bring a person back from that brink, when they become so lost in that other world that they become detrimental to themselves and others.
I wonder about the more negative ones though, although they are rare. You know the ones who kill based on the voices they hear? x