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Old 09-04-2016, 09:40 AM
Emmalevine Emmalevine is offline
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Hi Pleroo,

This really is not rocket science. (Boy, that sounds rude, didn't mean it that way...)

When we smell trash while walking the dog ...we cross the street.
When we see murders on TV we switch the channel.
By doing this we see the immense power we have over our thoughts, and thus, how we feel.

If one thinks it is necessary to be close to the trash...well, hey...so be it..
it's their Path, I say.

Good question.

To be honest Miss H for many people it's not a choice. People who have grown up in horrific backgrounds, for example, or gone through traumatic experiences, they have to work through painful stuff in order to heal it. It's not simply a question of 'I don't like feeling this way, I'll think about flowers instead and feel happy' It really isn't. I know from my own experience it can take a long time and a lot of emotional repair work to be able to shift into a new way of being. The stuff people go through often IS the work - repressed emotions won't just vanish without being felt- and they need not feel they are doing something wrong if they can't just wake up one day and choose another way. I'm glad that works for some, but it just depends on what someone has gone through and the depth of the pain that needs healing.
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Old 09-04-2016, 09:53 AM
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To be honest Miss H for many people it's not a choice. People who have grown up in horrific backgrounds, for example, or gone through traumatic experiences, they have to work through painful stuff in order to heal it. It's not simply a question of 'I don't like feeling this way, I'll think about flowers instead and feel happy' It really isn't. I know from my own experience it can take a long time and a lot of emotional repair work to be able to shift into a new way of being. The stuff people go through often IS the work - repressed emotions won't just vanish without being felt- and they need not feel they are doing something wrong if they can't just wake up one day and choose another way. I'm glad that works for some, but it just depends on what someone has gone through and the depth of the pain that needs healing.

This.

I am actually of the point of wondering that I might never be ok or free. They just don't go away, they are in the DNA, the bones, the blood. I don't have a reference point of being happy. Yes I have happiness in my life and fun but as a rule of thumb, life is substandard. i know it is and I do wonder if there is a solution.

Pockets of fun and joy but not at the end of the day, the default is a low base.

I do keep trying tho and so I must believe somewhere that it is all possible.
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Old 09-04-2016, 10:03 AM
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Apologies, having a glum day!
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Old 09-04-2016, 10:07 AM
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Hi Miss Hepburn

To me everything worth knowing happens for a reason and i was not ready to hear what you had to say at that time, even tough i asked the question - go figure

At the moment, for the last week, i felt lost and very confused, more so than ever. I thought to myself the last few days that i will not look for answers anymore but i know God will make himself known when the time is right and I WILL KNOW WHO HE IS AND BOOM, you send me this message and non the less at 03:33 my time.

3:33 is a sign from my guide's i believe and in Numerology means : "333, 3333 - This sign is the Cosmic 'Yes!' It indicates a 'Yes' to absolutely anything, and that it is the right decision for you." That is what i believe is relevant here.

So thank you for not reading it then, so no worries

Thank you

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Old 09-04-2016, 10:26 AM
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This.

I am actually of the point of wondering that I might never be ok or free. They just don't go away, they are in the DNA, the bones, the blood. I don't have a reference point of being happy. Yes I have happiness in my life and fun but as a rule of thumb, life is substandard. i know it is and I do wonder if there is a solution.

Pockets of fun and joy but not at the end of the day, the default is a low base.

I do keep trying tho and so I must believe somewhere that it is all possible.

Belle it is possible and I'm testament to that. My life is still hard and I have my moments but as far as the past is concerned, I no longer live it. I've moved into a state of peace where I live day by day and the pain isn't there. But it's a very difficult, even agonising, process to work through especially when it involves a background as your development is literally infused with trauma. Do what works for you, and keep trusting that freedom is possible.
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Old 09-04-2016, 10:30 AM
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Thanks - I'm probably hormonal :-)

But hec! I've tried so many things over and over and over and I keep getting back to the same state.
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Emmalevine
To be honest Miss H for many people it's not a choice. People who have grown up in horrific backgrounds,
for example, or gone through traumatic experiences, they have to work through painful stuff in order to heal it.
It's not simply a question of 'I don't like feeling this way, I'll think about flowers instead and feel happy' It really isn't.
I know from my own experience it can take a long time and a lot of emotional repair work to be able to shift into a new way of being.
The stuff people go through often IS the work - repressed emotions won't just vanish without being felt- and they
need not feel they are doing something wrong if they can't just wake up one day and choose another way.
I'm glad that works for some, but it just depends on what someone has gone through and the depth of the pain
that needs healing.
Hi Emmalevine,
Very good post and probably reflects many others' thoughts.
(And hi Belle and anthony :)

I did wonder if I present myself as never having had problems, traumas, pain, grief and depression...
ha, just because I'm through so much...of course, grief can come at any time and I never
block or repress that, but feel it in all of it's depth for a long time!
I digressed.

Tackling our traumas or anything that keeps us from peace (bad job, bad relationship, bad living situation, bad ruminating thoughts...)
and living our life happily is a 'job', indeed!
I certainly didn't get here without therapy, reading, getting advice, praying, practicing detachment,
(ie, being the observer/witness) but, mainly God's Grace
that allowed me to forgive and gain insight as to the perfection and purpose of all the 'bad stuff'.

One of the things that is a problem for so many is never letting go, never forgiving, reliving the traumas,
thus, not seeing the profound perfection with our terrible childhoods
and all the other terrible things.
(Omg, there are murders and suicides of loved ones, rapes, all our money embezzled!)

Repression...no.
Denying and ignoring...no.
But, wallowing or blaming, hanging onto these terrible things that have happened to
us like they are 'who we are'...can be transformed into great wisdom.
This is important to remember, we do not have to live this entire life with an Albatross around our necks**.

One of the things that I understand is not all of us came here to quickly heal
with a few sessions of therapy, and Shazam!, life is all rosey now.
Some were meant to have a tougher life for their particular lessons.

This is the thing...there comes a time (and maybe not this lifetime)
when we are to realize the power we have;
when we see we can decide to be happy and free....and then,
do the work.

The work may be disciplining ourselves to sit in stillness each day for a solid hour..
(since this is the meditation thread, after all).

If someone should decide that that is an avenue to peace of mind...
they can lay there past trauma's on a shelf...to be taken down if they chose and dealt with in all the ways available;
some mentioned above.

For those that have dealt with issues and simply have active thoughts bothering them
while sitting in silence each day about money and all the work they need to get done, they can learn that
it is as easy as changing the channel or to replace these bothersome thoughts and partake of the loveliness
of an hour of peace.

My take anyway.

** Reference, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner'...Samuel Coleridge
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Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru
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Old 09-04-2016, 04:47 PM
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Hi Emmalevine,
Very good post and probably reflects many others' thoughts.
(And hi Belle and anthony :)

I did wonder if I present myself as never having had problems, traumas, pain, grief and depression...
ha, just because I'm through so much...of course, grief can come at any time and I never
block or repress that, but feel it in all of it's depth for a long time!
I digressed.

Tackling our traumas or anything that keeps us from peace (bad job, bad relationship, bad living situation, bad ruminating thoughts...)
and living our life happily is a 'job', indeed!
I certainly didn't get here without therapy, reading, getting advice, praying, practicing detachment,
(ie, being the observer/witness) but, mainly God's Grace
that allowed me to forgive and gain insight as to the perfection and purpose of all the 'bad stuff'.

One of the things that is a problem for so many is never letting go, never forgiving, reliving the traumas,
thus, not seeing the profound perfection with our terrible childhoods
and all the other terrible things.
(Omg, there are murders and suicides of loved ones, rapes, all our money embezzled!)

Repression...no.
Denying and ignoring...no.
But, wallowing or blaming, hanging onto these terrible things that have happened to
us like they are 'who we are'...can be transformed into great wisdom.
This is important to remember, we do not have to live this entire life with an Albatross around our necks**.

One of the things that I understand is not all of us came here to quickly heal
with a few sessions of therapy, and Shazam!, life is all rosey now.
Some were meant to have a tougher life for their particular lessons.

This is the thing...there comes a time (and maybe not this lifetime)
when we are to realize the power we have;
when we see we can decide to be happy and free....and then,
do the work.

The work may be disciplining ourselves to sit in stillness each day for a solid hour..
(since this is the meditation thread, after all).

If someone should decide that that is an avenue to peace of mind...
they can lay there past trauma's on a shelf...to be taken down if they chose and dealt with in all the ways available;
some mentioned above.

For those that have dealt with issues and simply have active thoughts bothering them
while sitting in silence each day about money and all the work they need to get done, they can learn that
it is as easy as changing the channel or to replace these bothersome thoughts and partake of the loveliness
of an hour of peace.

My take anyway.

** Reference, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner'...Samuel Coleridge

I have found that meditating on your thoughts to be very tough meditation practice. I have allot of thoughts and most of them are not positive. I think to myself, you want to get out your head not in it.

I also get very agitated when i do this meditation and keep thinking: i hate this and want to stop. I can see that this practice when you get it right can be very rewarding for a person like me but wow its very though.

I have done this practice before and have had some success and the key to this meditation is to see thoughts as thoughts. When you think i cant do it or like i was thinking at the time, i want to stop... that it's just another thought and you should just observe it as a thought and not get lost in the content of it and try to let it pass.

Thoughts are very "sticky" and try not to let them stick. EASIER SAID THAN DONE! It gets easier and sure when you get in the groove of it the are not so sticky anymore.

Thanks for your tips Miss Hepburn on the psychology of this meditation.
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Old 09-04-2016, 04:59 PM
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EASIER SAID THAN DONE! It gets easier and sure when you get in
the groove of it they are not so sticky anymore.
Now remember..what we believe and what we expect and what we say....
happens.
Maybe read over in the Manifesting and LOA section to see what I mean.
Your subconscious mind just registered your CAPS....and
that's where everything comes from.

If a person wants to lose weight but repeats , "It's SO HARD!".
Well, it will always be hard.
If the next attempt the person says, "Ya know this losing weight is actually
pretty simple." It will be.

Approach meditation as you would holding a sleeping puppy...sweetly and gently in every aspect...if the puppy has
gas while in your lap...
laugh!
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Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:11 PM
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I just started a meditation that I do 10 minutes a day. It teaches you how to focus on your breath. ( honestly I never knew how to do that when people just say focus on your breath) so someone on YouTube showed me how.

Since I've been doing it for a few days now my mind starts to get the urge to ask to be connected to my higher self, ( while still breathing of course) is this a thought process that I should just observe? Or should I expect for this to happen out of meditation?

Sorry if that's confusing..
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