Why the aversion to people who claim Godhood?

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by knightoflenity

Just the same way that meeting your heroes can be disappointing someone claiming to be "God" multiplies that a millionfold.

In the west God is the almighty father of all creation. He created the sky, land & sea. Light & darkness, life, is the lord of heaven. Gavin from number 30 doesn't really fit this image very well ....

As a species we have followed leaders into chaos at every level be it military, politics, music or faith so I would hope that on many levels we instantly pull back when someone claims to be god.

Look at David Icke, he would go on to have an extraordinary amount of valid points (and some fringe) but the moment he claimed godhood he was a laughing stock.

Eastern mentality would interpret God differently which the great Alan Watt is wonderful at explaining to a western audience. If we are all divine because we are the universe claiming to be God is accurate .. from a certain point of view (thanks Obi Wan).

Perhaps the geographical location of the person making the claim is a large factor in gauging reaction?

I can see that.

I can also see the failsafe in the equation. If there is even a glimmer of ego, as soon as their divinity is rejected by another there is suddenly hurt and pain, the ego flares up BADLY. As if to say "not yet buddy, not yet".



Would you mind further explaining alan watts? perhaps share a link to that video if you could remember it or find it?



David icke... lol.
Whenever I watch a video of him... well whenever I did in the past, my stoamch would start sending up red flags after about 5-10 minutes. it was like my energy system was saying "stop, stop, stop! you are letting in the wrong kind of thing, please change to something else".

it's like I'm allergic to his ****.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Blue Tiger

To claim one's rightful place as "being one with God" or "filled with the God-spirit" is one thing. Such a claim is not likely to be heard with alarm or disdain or any negative reaction.

To claim one is "the God" implies that the individual believes themselves to be the ultimate power in the Universe. Not a part of it, but IT. This it the sort of claim that starts alarm bells ringing in people's minds.

Would God actually choose to walk the Earth as one physical being? Doubtful, at least in my opinion. As many physical beings? That seems a lot less limiting and confining.

So I would say the aversion to those who claim to "be God" is largely about how they present it, and what their perceived meaning is.

Well, for better or worse, the internal feeling I have is that I am it, the one God.

When doubt overcomes me I often say "well, I'm not ALL of God" or "I'm not the creator God, I don't have infinite powers", etc.

I'm not under any delusion about what I can do or can't. I'm quite aware of my current position at the bottom rung of the ladder. However I don't find that to be evidence that I'm not God.

I don't have any "God must be ____ to be God" beliefs.

I am God.
Whatever I do, God must also do.
Whatever I am God must also be.
etc.

I believe that everything has an explanation, everything has reason and "makes sense". However does it make sense to us, our ego's, or does it make sense to God.... I think everything makes sense to God, but not to us. Actually I can't even say I think that, it's just so obvious. it's an observation.




I should also add that this is a persistent belief. It comes and goes for now, but from what I hear from others there will come a time when I am stable and grounded in this truth. Either that happens, or I go crazy. hahaha.

[LiberatedLotus]

Most, if not all, have been conditioned to
believe one must look beyond oneself for
God. The truth of our being is withheld from
most.

For good reason. Could you imagine what
the humanity, the world, and the Universe
would be like if even 5% of the population
knew their true identity? The infinite power &
potential within?

Those in "power" ( but an illusion )
would not want that, make sure it
does not happen. 99% end up living
in this perpetual state of Maya
( the "powerful" included ).

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by shivatar

Would you mind further explaining alan watts? perhaps share a link to that video if you could remember it or find it?

He's a British philosopher died in 1970's, writer, and speaker who probably influenced George Harrison etc.

Just check out www.alanwatts.org/ or just anything on youtube with him speaking on. If every teacher was like Alan we would be a much better society. One could only hope to have an ounce of his grace & wisdom.

Don't get confused with Alan Watt (no S) the Scotsman as he has a podcast now although he's also fantastic for differing reasons.

Originally Posted by shivatar

David icke... lol. it's like I'm allergic to his ****.

He's actually more of the Helena P Blavatsky and Alice Bailey crowd than many give him credit (or disdain) for.
Human race get off your knees or the lion sleeps no more make some interesting arguments.
Hes presented talks from Mount Shasta & had a lot of conversations with Credo Wutwa (Zulu healer) whom gives an interesting perspective from that part of the world & it's traditions.

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[Hemera]

Well, it seems kind of arrogant.

I know this isn't a particularly fancy answer, but that's the truth of it for me.

[Miss Hepburn]

shivitar, You were very clear, fair enough...what is the resistance, 1-2 sentences, leave out ego as the answer. Ok.
But, I really think you
know the answer...if not, sit with it for awhile it will come.

Fear or doubt...maybe a rebellious or contrarian, combative personality.

(All of which are products of that which shall not be mentioned,
the lower self that believes it is separate from the 'All That Is'...as opposed
to the the Higher Self's Thought System.)

"Love bade my welcome,
Yet, my soul drew back."---16c priest George Herbert
~~~~~~~~~
As far as 'arrogant'? To get to such a place where you realize and get that you are God
or that the Divine Consciousness actually dwells within you takes huge humility and grace, people.
Joy and enthusiasm is often misunderstood as arrogance. Should they keep their light under a bushel basket?
Say nothing to satisfy others' concepts and judgments?
If one WAS arrogant ...the exp would not last long within them!

[Hemera]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

~~~~~~~~~
As far as 'arrogant'? To get to such a place where you realize and get that you are God
or that the Divine Consciousness actually dwells within you takes huge humility and grace, people.
Joy and enthusiasm is often misunderstood as arrogance. Should they keep their light under a bushel basket?
Say nothing to satisfy others' concepts and judgments?
If one WAS arrogant ...the exp would not last long within them!

Oh I'm not suggesting I would be right or wrong to think that, it would just be my automatic reaction, for better or for worse.

I understand feeling at one with the Divine and how beautiful that must be. I have had glimpses. I understand the desire to express it to others.

It's just true that if someone said 'I'm God' I would find it weird and a bit arrogant. Maybe it's a question of semantics because if someone said 'I am at One with everything Divine' that would sound very beautiful, which indeed it is.

But alas, I am far from perfect.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by shivatar

Well, for better or worse, the internal feeling I have is that I am it, the one God.

When doubt overcomes me I often say "well, I'm not ALL of God" or "I'm not the creator God, I don't have infinite powers", etc.

I think the aversion is cleared up with an explanation like this. If you said only the one thing "I am it, the one God", I'd have said no. Now the 2nd sentence clears it up somewhat. The aversion is about 1) not taking or having the time to go into more depth and explain what you mean on your end and 2) initial barriers the receiver has and rejecting and shutting off listening, not hearing sentence 2. Notice to of the need to say or hear sentence 2 which you did not say at that time. For instance, everyone here has heard this. You suddenly get your point across and when it happens you expected a change in understanding when you hear this said" I don't care" and that is meant literal. What did you think was meant...lol. Time is also relevant and is at work. You may think they don't understand when they do later so you're in the perception of it not being relative. iow, in the past you'd have gotten major argument from me to. The aversion is the person you are communicating with may have the misunderstanding to accept what you have (both) said and not said means they must reject their belief and that's important. Do they have to reject their ideas believing yours, even I don't do that. Yeah, a lot goes into it.

If you say you're God, I'd ask you God why does God treats itself the way it does then? Why do you treat me the way you do to. You better have an answer....lol. It's based on what you can and cannot answer.

Of course we have strict teachings and a person, any person doesn't qualify based on definition which you can never do attempting a definition watered down certainly not in agreement with authority nor are you capable of doing. Remember it is about coming to you to and I'd hardly do that. God is suppose to be the answer.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by shivatar

What is the aversion to people claiming they are God?

The people who say "we are all God". Each of us is THE ONE. Each of us is God, the infinite God, made manifest.

Why is there such a resistance?

please refrain from 1-2 sentence replies. I don't want to hear "the ego" either. If the ego is part of your answer, fine, but if it's your only answer please keep it to yourself. We have all thought that before but clearly there is more to it than that.

Maybe it's because God created the whole universe, is the source of all things, is totally unlimited, omnipotent, omnipresent etc and while each of us may have that 'Divine spark' within us and is made up of 'Godstuff', claiming to be the immortal creator/destroyer of worlds and universes, the pure essence of existence, remaining alone after each pralaya is a bit of a stretch for even the human imagination.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by shivatar

I just had an idea.

There is not only an outter aversion to the claim "I am God", but there is also an inner aversion. The ego doesn't like that statement.

if you say "I am God" the ego will battle you. It will say "prove it". And when you act out of spontaniety the ego will say things like "look at how you act! God wouldn't act like this! you are not god! clearly!".

I think every single one of us realize this on a deep level. That we are it. The mystery. The infinite. GOD! Perhaps part of the rules of incarnation is we must all agree "ok, you can't go around claiming you are the one, that would ruin the illusion for everybody else". And we all have this sub-conscious agreement, for reasons unknown, that we will all keep our ultimate identity a secret. That we will all do our best to make do with what we have (the ego) and not use our forbidden powers (God powers).

If someone manages somehow to tap into their God powers (no idea what god powers are... sounds cool tho. lol) and can finally self-realize and say with convinction "I AM GODDDD" or maybe "i am god!" or... "i am god -_-" lol. If someone manages to break the spell, suddenly everyone else and their ego is like "if I can't do it, you can't. you are not God. You are not God because I can't be God, so you can't". And that is the end of it. their ego is such a strong pursuader that they lose the battle before they realize a battle is taking place.

My ego battles it too with a "I don't recall creating the universe" and "why aren't people falling over each other to worship me then?" and "If I am Shiva, then who/what is this 'Shiva' apart from who I am?" even "Hey, I/God should be able to predict next week's lotto numbers, right?" and "Goddammit! is it even considered blasphemous when swearing at oneself?" and even "Who is even saying I am God here? seriously?"...it...doesn't...stop!

Hence I keep my ego totally happy by being only a 'part of God' and it likes that.