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Old 15-04-2019, 11:07 AM
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I don't see this as a problem of spiritual communities. My experiences show that, on the contrary, spiritually-focused people are some of the most attentive and active when it comes to our natural world and the problems its facing. I think the RELIGIOUS communities are not doing so much to address the issues facing the natural world. There isn't a lot of incentive, especially nowadays, when so many religions are trying to deal with their identity crises. You just won't hear much about natural destruction from the pulpit.

The distinction between ''spiritual'' and ''religious'' is problematic. Religion means ''to commune with the divine'', spiritual relates to spirits or spiritual phenomena. Religions can believe in a personal deity or they don't, similarly true for 'spiritual' people..

When I see people say ''I'm spiritual, not religious'' and then check their beliefs and practices I see a mix of Hindu and Buddhist beliefs and a very liberal interpretation of Jesus and Christianity. It might not be a particular religion they follow but they still try and ''commune with the divine'' and believe in things that religions believe in...

It's nice to hear you see people being attentive to the natural world, but I think these people are the exception and not the norm. I've spend plenty of time in various environment and conservation groups and I don't notice a lot of 'spiritual' people there, just as I don't see people in spiritual communities (online and offline) discuss these issues much. There's more of a disinterest in it and a desire to escape the world and focus purely on the self, which I see as a reflection of the environment and society we have created..

Thank you for your thoughts..
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Old 18-04-2019, 11:16 PM
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I'm glad other people are recognizing that we have some serious issues to confront beyond the whole "what are we?" questions.

Chances are that people are more focused on making money and providing a living for themselves, rather than caring for the planet and their surroundings. My generation knows about all of these issues but we've been tagged with the "broke college student" situation of debts and starting at the bottom of a long way up in terms of making a living for ourselves, plus the decade or two of indoctrination as to how to think, we're at an incredible disadvantage to fund the projects we see would help the most, especially compared to the bigger companies that care more about profit than liberation and have a much larger say over the trends.

And that attachment to money is what's breaking us. Competition over cooperation leads to separation instead of unionizing. Deception through altered perceptions over honest communication. And a money system that gradually sucks away our abilities over time, this is the root of what I believe is the problem. Because it's all fun to liberate lives, but if you can't pay those bills...
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Old 19-04-2019, 07:54 AM
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Thanks for your thoughts, Dather12...

I'm probably same generation as you. I am only one person so that obviously doesn't make the difference, but we can all check our consumption, we all gotta start somewhere, 1 > 0. Even if things look daunting the ''tragedy of the commons'' -TOTC- ((..where everyone thinks 'me changing don't make a difference' leads to actually no change anywhere..)) should be avoided. There's choices to make with food, with energy usage, and there's charity and volunteer work you can do. I know it's all small steps but lets avoid the TOTC. If you do have more wealth.. and a house and a garden, you can start growing food, and have flowers for bumblebees, butterflies, etc. Maybe form a network with others in your area to create a little oasis of life..

I too believe the core issue here is ''competition over cooperation''.. This leads to hierarchical thinking with a few people at the top ruling over all other forms of life, and only a handful of selected domesticated plants and animals are allowed to exist. This pyramid is what must be shattered, because it's a path towards destruction..

Nature is about harmony, yes there is competition and death, but it's not a pyramid. The nazis showed people ants and told stories about death and destruction and that only this showed how the world functions and that only ''the strong'' survive but it's very biased, and was used to stimulate hatred in people..

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Old 20-04-2019, 11:33 PM
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How were you able to tell whether someone is spiritual by looking at them? Are they suppose to display certain clothes or jewelry to distingish someone being spiritual? I've noticed some pagans don't bother to wear any jewelry pertaining to their beliefs. I know I don't. That doesn't mean they're not pagan. Same for spiritual people. And helping the environment and conservation group can be a spiritual experience. Especially for those who view the Earth sacred. Some are even calling the Earth a Goddess. Science has been able to prove that Earth is a living organism further legitimizing an existential deity, Gaia.

I believe many don't discuss these topics is because many spiritual seekers want to improve their lives, and religious followers are more concerned with an outside force to arrive to 'save them' from the 'end of times'.

But there are some people making a difference in nature regardless whether they're spiritual or not.

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Old 21-04-2019, 07:50 AM
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I don't know about clothes and jewellery Lepus!
I go with people's views, actions, and beliefs, and how it shapes the environment they live in, and how people are also shaped by their environment..


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I believe many don't discuss these topics is because many spiritual seekers want to improve their lives, and religious followers are more concerned with an outside force to arrive to 'save them' from the 'end of times'.

I believe it to be a reflection of the society we have created. Removed from nature, existing in but sterile man made landscapes with a handful of domesticated animals. All that remains is 'the self'. Buddhism for instance was born and raised to maturity in an urban context. Christianity believes humans are God's most precious creation. People start to imagine they are the only thing that matters, that they are the epitome of life ((central in all mainstream religion)), and that their suffering and existential dread gives a glimpse into the secret of the universe..

The connection is lost, and 'the other', be it the Earth, the animals, or other people become only tools to said individual..

You mentioned Gaia. I think this would be a good example as well. Do we worship a deity for our own gain, just as ''an aspect'' of some supersoul, or do we recognize, revere, and respect diversity of life and the very creativity of the universe, which includes some spirits occupying other bodies and having unique functions in this web of life..?

It seems to me this recognition is a taboo outside of the 'pagan' context...

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But there are some people making a difference in nature regardless whether they're spiritual or not.
Yes.. that is funny. People can actually worship and revere the Earth and the Sun even if they're not using those words..
In practice I see no difference..

Thank you for your thoughts, Lepus..
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