Integral/Holistic view & approach to schizophrenia

My daughter has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Last I knew she was once again in a state hospital, in a fugue state.

You have done lots of research, as I have too. Just in case you have not come across this information as of yet:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846838/

http://www.schizophrenia.com/newslet...96graymatr.htm

there is lots of other sources on the same topic....less gray matter.

[Being]

Originally Posted by gracey

My daughter has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Last I knew she was once again in a state hospital, in a fugue state.

You have done lots of research, as I have too. Just in case you have not come across this information as of yet:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846838/

http://www.schizophrenia.com/newslet...96graymatr.htm

there is lots of other sources on the same topic....less gray matter.

Am sorry to hear about your daughter. i'm Not opposed to a wise use of medications, more comprehensive psychiatry & need for front end services - i do however think a lot of current mainstream mental health treatment & understandings is far too myopic.

i don't deny any of the physiology/biology to these conditions. But there are questions - the exact physiology is unclear, & differs a lot across different cases. What are the causes/aetiology for the brain differences? Why do some people fully recover medication free? & what are the best approaches to treat people with these conditions/experiences?

Even informed orthodox professionals will say 50% is physiology & 50% is environmental, & take a bio/psycho/social view.

http://nccc.georgetown.edu/body_mind...-holistic.html

While largely seen as a supportive mechanism, there are indications that spirituality and religion may, in some cases, pose challenges for patients who are already medically compromised.

However, the general consensus on this topic seems to be that “by ignoring the spiritual dimension of health, for whatever reason, we may be depriving ourselves of the leverage we need to help empower individuals and populations to achieve improved physical, social, and mental health” (Vader 2006)

The metaphysical/spiritual views/understandings on madness are largely missing from the orthodox/mainstream dialogue -

http://www.alchemyrealm.com/schizophrenia.htm

http://www.alchemyrealm.com/psychosis.htm

I am in agreement that mental health treatment and understandings is far too myopic. It is a long story, I do think there are spiritual aspects in this life theme. The sites you posted are good reads. Thanks.

One thing I noticed some years ago is that she is very addicted to sugar. So, I did research and learned:

http://www.naturalnews.com/032689_su...l_illness.html

[Being]

Originally Posted by gracey

I am in agreement that mental health treatment and understandings is far too myopic. It is a long story, I do think there are spiritual aspects in this life theme. The sites you posted are good reads. Thanks.

One thing I noticed some years ago is that she is very addicted to sugar. So, I did research and learned:

http://www.naturalnews.com/032689_su...l_illness.html

Diet/orthomolecular medicine/nutritional etc areas are massive & complex.

i take an integral/holistic view - mind/body/soul/spirit - spirit, soul/psyche & physical - i don't see anything here as either/or - you can't rationally separate biology from psychology & environment.

There is also a massive question mark over the age long mind/brain debate -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bobby-...b_8160914.html

yea, that area is complex. all of it is really, at least to me. my dad worked for the county mental health and retired from it. one thing he told me that i am in agreement with is that people with schizophrenia have a great ability with belief. one person actually cured themselves from cancer, just because they didn't believe they had it. my dad was witness to this. i have been witness to my daughters experiences with belief. it is a very powerful tool that seems strongest with those who are labeled as schizophrenics. thanks again for the article. i did sign up for the newsletter Alchemy Realm. Lots of good info there.

[Being]

Originally Posted by gracey

yea, that area is complex. all of it is really, at least to me. my dad worked for the county mental health and retired from it. one thing he told me that i am in agreement with is that people with schizophrenia have a great ability with belief. one person actually cured themselves from cancer, just because they didn't believe they had it. my dad was witness to this. i have been witness to my daughters experiences with belief. it is a very powerful tool that seems strongest with those who are labeled as schizophrenics. thanks again for the article. i did sign up for the newsletter Alchemy Realm. Lots of good info there.

Well, i don't have any categorical answers to it all, & i don't think that anyone does. i do however think that there could be far more humane treatment of the Mad, but i suppose the mental health system/psychiatry is a direct reflection of general society & it's overall advancement & civility.

[Deepsoul]

Hi Being by no means was my last post directed towards you I perhaps should have used I instead of you,,,it was all about my journey and I apologize for that,,,That is the honest truth I was just expressing my experience ,,,I guess i am a christian but I dont do the bible much ,i just have this amazing relationship with the spirit of Jesus ,and the way he does so much magic in my life and gives me support as well as shows me how to be strong ,well its just my thing and it works for me I guess I want to share that too,,,all the best Deep :) Have an awesome day....

[Being]

Originally Posted by Deepsoul

...its just my thing and it works for me...

If that is what works for you then all well & good. i'm Not very keen on religions. i don't follow any specific religion/system. About the best i've found for me has been the inter life research (also some of the NDE/OBE & consciousness research/areas), & a basic/gentle mindfulness practise. i've read/researched a lot of stuff; comparative religion, philosophy, esoteric/occult areas - all sorts. i don't have any categorical answer/opinion - i suppose a lot i see as existential/experiential - i have my own path, truth & Being.

[Deepsoul]

Really I do alot of different stuff ,chanting ,affirmations ,chi-gong, like you too I have been searching ,Im experiencing a major spiritual growth as I have been faced with illness physical and mental but I love it I feel I will come out of it a better person, ,I dont know how long that will take but already ive learnt so much about myself and why i do what I do ,I love this forum and all Ive learnt from it ,I wish us all wellness happiness and wholeness......and truth and Beingness......:)

[Gem]

Pretty interesting video which slightly obscure in meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruvWiXowiZ8