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Old Yesterday, 07:53 AM
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There is really no such thing as the now.
Even if we break each second down to milliseconds and nanoseconds, every moment has either passed or is yet to come.
Seconds and moments have to do with time. 'Now' has little to do with time. Now can be a moment in time, several moments in time, or a moment without time.

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If there is such thing as the now, it will be to exist outside of time itself, where there is no past, present or future.
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Such a state of awareness is only possible after one has attained samadhi.
For one in the Samadhi state, there is no now nor any time.
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As far as I understand it, those people who are saying to 'live/exist in the now', just means not to think or ponder too much about past events which may invoke feelings of regret or future events which may invoke feelings of worry...just surrender these thoughts and feelings to the 'there's nothing I can do about it either way' and let the grass grow by itself.
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The words we use:-

Time
Past
Present/now
Future
....do have meanings.

Mind tries to use meanings to communicate thoughts or feelings to another mind which then attempts to relate them to its own thoughts and feelings. Back and forth it goes. Though not perfect by any means, the process may, in good faith, nevertheless achieve a feeling of mutual understanding.

We can probably agree about what we mean by the above words which would assist that understanding. For example if we can agree that NOW means somewhere between the past and future without having the difficult if not impossible task of screwing it down any tighter than that, discussion about whether there is anywhere else other than THE NOW which one can be in may be possible. For example enlightenment

Maybe someone can screw it down tighter than that? is only ever alledged. No one would ever know whether they or someone else was in that state or even know what its characteristics were.That may be a big enough subject for a separate thread.

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The words we use:-

Time
Past
Present/now
Future
....do have meanings.

Mind tries to use meanings to communicate thoughts or feelings to another mind which then attempts to relate them to its own thoughts and feelings. Back and forth it goes. Though not perfect by any means, the process may, in good faith, nevertheless achieve a feeling of mutual understanding.

We can probably agree about what we mean by the above words which would assist that understanding. For example if we can agree that NOW means somewhere between the past and future without having the difficult if not impossible task of screwing it down any tighter than that, discussion about whether there is anywhere else other than THE NOW which one can be in may be possible. For example enlightenment

Maybe someone can screw it down tighter than that? is only ever alledged. No one would ever know whether they or someone else was in that state or even know what its characteristics were.That may be a big enough subject for a separate thread.

:)

Yep, it's easy - the now is this moment where existence is, as opposed to the past and future which aren't here now. It means the conscious experience is of 'this'. Question being, is one present with the present or are they somewhat distracted and unaware?
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Yep, it's easy - the now is this moment where existence is, as opposed to the past and future which aren't here now. It means the conscious experience is of 'this'. Question being, is one present with the present or are they somewhat distracted and unaware?

you mean I can't be 'present' with the 'past' and still be in the 'now'?

sometimes I think we do a lot of damage to ourselves with all these semantics....
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you mean I can't be 'present' with the 'past' and still be in the 'now'?

I remember Sailor Bob once saying, "If there is a past, I don't think about it". I dig that saying.

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sometimes I think we do a lot of damage to ourselves with all these semantics....

To me it's like the question, am I presently consciously aware? Intellectually I know I am, so I'd say of course, but that's not the same as actually checking to find out.
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Actually, the paradox lies in the fact that the present moment is not of time. It is beyond time and space and can only be revealed when the mind is quiet and there is nothing but the awareness of presence. When we try to understand it as the point between past and future, this is nothing but the mind's concept.
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With the past having ceased, future yet to come,
and no remaining in the present, the scope of natural mind
has no foundation or substance.

This expresses that fixation on 'the now' or 'presence' is a great error. It is driven by a sentiment of self being affirmed as truth.
Past is recollection in the context of a sentiment of self. Future is speculation in the context of a sentiment of self.
So it is about self which is being affirmed as truth by advaita but negated by buddhism.
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