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Old 08-11-2011, 06:49 PM
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Can Science Reveal God?

Is there such thing as using Science to help us, in essence " Prove God exist?" An interesting question, it is commonly believed that there is no proof of God. I myself, tend to disagree with that; I think God most certainly can be proven, and the way to do it, is to first prove it to yourself! And there are many ways to do that; Using Archaeology, using Romance, using a study of Consciousness, a study of human nature, a study of history; and a study of " Science."

Science can most defintely reveal God; it helped do it for me. Because I have always wanted to know; wondered if God existed. And let me share with you how Science helped me to see God exist much more clearly.

The " Law of Biogenesis", which is composed of two parts; The first part states that living things only come from other living things, and not from non-living matter. Life only comes from Life. The second part of this states that when living things procreate, their offspring are the same type of organism they are. This is consistent with the biblical account in Genesis, which says all living things reproduce after their own kind. And this is a sure science.

When science has ventured into " Crossbreeding", and abnormal lines are crossed, " Sterility" is always the result. For example; a horse and a donkey can mate and produce a Mule, but the Mule is always sterile and unable to procreate. The fact that hybrid offspring do not have the ability to reproduce is strong evidence against evolutiuon and for creation. And this science can reveal God.
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:40 PM
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Then we have " The Cambrian Explosion." Why do all fossil records appear instantly in the fossil record? The fossil record reveals a total absence of multicellular life forms in the lower two thirds of the earths crust. This is refered to as the " Precambrian Period." Then, advanced life appears in abundant numbers during the Cambrian period. This period contains the oldest rocks in which complex fossils are found. The Cambrian sedimentary rock fossils contain many millions of highly advanced and well developed life forms, which is refered to as " The Cambrian Explosion."

In the precambrian period, the fossil record only has sparse, unicellular fossils. In the Cambrian period, the fossil record indicates life appeared suddenly in tremendous complexity, great diversity and unbelievable abundance without evolving from any ancestors. This is incredible proof of creation at a specific time, which is proof of God.

There is no gradual evolution of the fossil record. If everything developed from the same primordal soup, certainly there would be some very basic creatures that would have existed between the soup and the creatures we are familiar with; there are not.
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:35 AM
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Science can also reveal God through the obvious " Order in the Universe." All things have an ordering about them or they would lack reason. There must have been a plan to this Order, it didnot just " Fall into place and get it right after billions of years of getting it wrong." This complexity was " Established", it didnot suceed by mere chance. The Universe does not have a mind of its own, or an intelligence, but it " Reflects an Intelligence that gave it structure."

We can know and assume that Intelligence is " Deliberate", and what we see as our Universe is deliberate order. If you walk down the street and see a quarter on the ground, you can assume that someone dropped it by mistake. If you walk further and see two quarters on the ground, you can assume that someone has a hole in their pocket. Lost them by mistake, inadvertedly. But if you walk further and see 100 quarters on the ground carefully balanced on their edges, we can " Know that this was done Deliberately!"

Our Universe is just that well ordered. But it is laided out on a much grander scale than mere quarters; were talking about Stars and Planets! Deliberately spaced out by the Billions! Great Power needs direction and planning. And it needs an intelligence behind it, or such great raw power could just as eaisly destroy itself!

And I want to go into much more examples of how science reveals God!
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:59 AM
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Can science reveal god … not in its current state!

Science is seriously flawed. Flawed at its very foundations, page one states ‘erosion’ ie, pebbles to sand’ and it should read ‘sand to pebble’ shoreline are a huge tidemark. See my thread Spiritual Proof
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:01 AM
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There is no god to be reveled, so how can they ?.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:16 PM
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Quote:
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Can science reveal god … not in its current state!

Science is seriously flawed. Flawed at its very foundations, page one states ‘erosion’ ie, pebbles to sand’ and it should read ‘sand to pebble’ shoreline are a huge tidemark. See my thread Spiritual Proof


Well flawed knowledge certainly exist, no doubt there; yet we have to understand both sides of the coin and try and know what we can. For example; here is a flawed arguement that includes some truth in it; Many evolutionist have tried to argue that humans are 99% simular chemically to apes, and blood precipitation test do indicate that the chimpanzee is our closest relative. Yet reguarding that we must also observe the following;

Milk chemistry test indicates that the Donkey is mans closest relative. Cholesteral level test indicate that the Garter Snake is mans closest relative. Tear enzyme chemistry indicates that the Chicken is mans closest relative. On the basis of another type of blood chemistry test, the " Butter Bean" is mans closest relative. So we can't stop there, we just have to keep learning.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:37 PM
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Then we must consider " The Cosmological Science". All physical things on earth and in space come into being and go out of existance, no matter how long they last. Therefore, since time is infinite, there must be some time at which none of these things existed. But if there were nothing at that point in time, how could there be anything now, since nothing cannot cause anything? So, using this science to avoid infinite regression, there must have been at least one necessary thing that is eternal, which describes God.
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Old 09-11-2011, 07:02 PM
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Of course " Motion" is a science that must be considered. We all know there is motion in the world, yet according to science, whatever is in motion is moved by another thing, yet this other thing must also be moved by some force. Again, to avoid infinite regression, we must have a " First Mover" which needed nothing to be moved itself; and nothing fits that better than a God.
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Old 09-11-2011, 07:59 PM
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Can science reveal God? Well consider the " Anthropic Principles." Anthropic means relating to human beings and their existence. Its well known that our existence in this universe depends on numerous cosmological constants and parameters whose numerical values must fall within a very narrow range of values. If even a single varible were off, in some cases even slightly, we wouldnot exist.

The extreme improbability that so many varibles would align so auspiciously in our favor merely by chance has led some scientist and philosophers to propose instead that it was God who providentially engineered the universe to suit our specific needs. This is the Anthropic principle; that the universe appears to have been " Fine-tuned for our existence."

Even the co-founder of the theory of evolution," Alfred Russell Wallace", begin to see this before he died.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:34 AM
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I have never been comfortable with the idea that " Nature eventually will get ir right over the years", and all things just fall into order. Even the simple things in science shows me design from inception. Like the simple color of the Sun. If the Sun were much Redder, on the one hand, or Bluer on the other, " Photosynthesis" would be impeded, which is a natural biochemical process crucial to life on earth.

This brings us into the area of " Irreducible Complexity." Many things in our Universe do not change; cannot change without dire consequences; AND, couldnot have evolved from a " Lesser state of being, into a more complex state of being." Which part of a mousetrap could you remove and still have it work? Not one. Certain living organisms also cannot be simplified or reduced in complexity, and survive. The removal of any single part causes the system to cease functioning.

Irreducible complex systems cannot be produced gradually, by slight successive modifications from a less complicated pre-condition. They must exist exactly as they are; whole- complette, or they cannot exist at all. This science is a stunning case for " Creation as is from conception"; which is a revelation that God could well exist!
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