What Things Are Real?

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

I assume you speak of actual Realization. Enlightenment. Liberation. Release. Moksha. The odds of hitting both PowerBall and Mega Millions and on consecutive draws is more likely.



There is no path, but only a fool does not walk it. https://youtu.be/Ku8cCrdh4Ic

Resonance is a word with meaning. A vibration between matching frequencies, in this case between the frequency of the seeker, and the frequency of the concept All is One. Whether this is
the event called enlightenment for the seeker cannot be known by another who is not experiencing it. It would be a massive assumption to assume that it was not.

There is no path, but only a fool does not walk it.

Tradition believes there is a path to be followed and that the direct approach is suspect even though sometimes used by Niz when he felt it to be appropriate for some seekers.

[Iamit]

[quote=Iamit]Resonance is a word with meaning. A vibration between matching frequencies, in this case between the frequency of the seeker, and the frequency of the concept All is One. Whether this is
the event called enlightenment for the seeker cannot be known by another who is not experiencing it. It would be a massive assumption to assume that it was not.

The seekers he felt were ready for the direct approach were those who were in despair with ever reaching their goal with the paths and practises they were following, maybe suggesting the purpose of paths and practises was to reach that point of despair with them.

[zorkchop]

The more pertinent question is . . . what things do we each accept as real . . . for we do not see things as they are - - we see things as WE are.

Originally Posted by zorkchop

The more pertinent question is . . . what things do we each accept as real . . . for we do not see things as they are - - we see things as WE are.

Phenomenon vs. Nuomenon. The thing as it appears and the thing in and of itself.

[zorkchop]

JASG . . .

You are a wondrous example of the recreational tendencies of mental over-analysis and over-definition . . . amongst other attributes. Reality does not get more defined or more deeply analyzed as one goes beyond the mind. One is going back or into the Center . . . which makes it less so . . . more basic . . . more foundational . . . more generic . . . for lack of better terms.

All one has to do is open their eyes and observe some of these discussions that just go on and on and on . . . dancing, juggling, quibbling over the meaning of such-and-such a word and what it means . . . what this phrase or term means as opposed to another . . . etc.

Mind can be seen to be endless . . . and its tendency to go WAY over the top on anything and everything . . . inventing anything necessary . . . is one of the reasons for this.

With this . . . I’m outta this. I am not going to get caught up in just such an example.

Originally Posted by zorkchop

JASG . . .

You are a wondrous example of the recreational tendencies of mental over-analysis and over-definition . . . amongst other attributes. Reality does not get more defined or more deeply analyzed as one goes beyond the mind. One is going back or into the Center . . . which makes it less so . . . more basic . . . more foundational . . . more generic . . . for lack of better terms.

All one has to do is open their eyes and observe some of these discussions that just go on and on and on . . . dancing, juggling, quibbling over the meaning of such-and-such a word and what it means . . . what this phrase or term means as opposed to another . . . etc.

Mind can be seen to be endless . . . and its tendency to go WAY over the top on anything and everything . . . inventing anything necessary . . . is one of the reasons for this.

With this . . . I’m outta this. I am not going to get caught up in just such an example.

I agree with what you posted (what things do we each accept as real . . . for we do not see things as they are - - we see things as WE are) and rephrased it in terms of philosophy of mind (Phenomenon vs. Nuomenon. The thing as it appears and the thing in and of itself). That is all.

Resonance is indeed a word with meaning, perhaps it means more than we know, or perhaps in means what which we know as real.

A few puzzle pieces to keep track of here, but they do seem to me to link together nicely in one way or another.

Resonance phenomena occur with all types of vibrations or waves: there is mechanical resonance, acoustic resonance, electromagnetic resonance, nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), electron spin resonance (ESR) and resonance of quantum wave functions. ….
In physics, resonance describes the phenomenon of increased amplitude that occurs when the frequency of a periodically applied force (or a Fourier component of it) is equal or close to a natural frequency of the system on which it acts. When an oscillating force is applied at a resonant frequency of a dynamical system, the system will oscillate at a higher amplitude than when the same force is applied at other, non-resonant frequencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance

One of the most profound and mysterious principles in all of physics is the Born Rule, named after Max Born. In quantum mechanics, particles don’t have classical properties like “position” or “momentum”; rather, there is a wave function that assigns a (complex) number, called the “amplitude,” to each possible measurement outcome. The Born Rule is then very simple: it says that the probability of obtaining any possible measurement outcome is equal to the square of the corresponding amplitude.

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/...ction-squared/

Resonance is used to reject all the radio signals except for the one you want to receive. Different parts in the radio resonate at the desired signal and block the others.

https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-radio-use-resonance


The quantum field is a wavy place, full of wave functions on top of wave functions ad infinitum. All possible outcomes are there, yet we are only aware of some as ‘real’ during this life experience. Perhaps through tuning our consciousness we can filter out which outcomes we wish to experience from that infinity of possibilities via resonance. A particle is merely a representation within our consciousness of a locally high amplitude peak in the quantum field. The more we resonate with a frequency, the more its aptitude is heightened, and the square of that amplitude is equal to the probability that we will experience that outcome as the “real” one.

Once one has a resonant selection of waves filtered out from that field of all possibilities, one can use them to represent pretty much anything, any image, as real through a Fourier transformation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds0cmAV-Yek

Perhaps then, those things we experience as real, is a matter of how our individual consciousness is tuned and resonates in harmony with a portion of that infinity of vibrations with the quantum field. Our consciousness resonates with a select group of frequencies with the quantum field and ‘collapse of the wave’, is merely what we call it when those frequencies are filtered out from the rest and the remaining ones are blocked from our conscious awareness. Hence our one world is filtered out from the many and rendered via fourier into our imagination of reality.

What things are real? Perhaps those which we create within our own consciousness through our own tuning of that consciousness to resonate with certain frequencies within the quantum field, thereby increasing the amplitude and corresponding probability that those peaks will become real within our own conscious awareness. Perhaps we are not just the observers of the quantum field, our consciousness is a resonant amplifier of the parts we wish to imagine as real.

Resonance is a word with meaning, perhaps that with which we resonate, is a major factor in that which becomes reality for us.

Originally Posted by ketzer

Perhaps then, those things we experience as real, is a matter of how our individual consciousness is tuned and resonates in harmony with a portion of that infinity of vibrations with the quantum field. Our consciousness resonates with a select group of frequencies with the quantum field and ‘collapse of the wave’, is merely what we call it when those frequencies are filtered out from the rest and the remaining ones are blocked from our conscious awareness. Hence our one world is filtered out from the many and rendered via fourier into our imagination of reality.

And this brings us to Orch OR theory of consciousness.

This is a point in the interview where Hameroff speaks to quantum coherence, resonance and microtubules.

https://youtu.be/YpUVot-4GPM?list=PL...zdrQA&t=153 5

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

And this brings us to Orch OR theory of consciousness.

This is a point in the interview where Hameroff speaks to quantum coherence, resonance and microtubules.

https://youtu.be/YpUVot-4GPM?list=PL...zdrQA&t=153 5

Perhaps. But micro-tubules are still matter, so somehow they need to be materialized out of the information encoded in the quantum wave function(s). They may indeed be an illusory link back to un-manifest consciousness but if so I suspect they form a sort of a mental metaphor to continue the rabbit hole beyond matter and provide a physical visualization of that radio antenna that is picking up those quantum reality stations broadcasting from the un-manifest reality of the quantum probability distribution. Ultimately, I think it is consciousness itself that is creating the perceived reality of material things, including all those atoms, micro-tubules, and other organelles. Rending the information encoded in the waves into a virtual reality experience directly within its own conscious awareness. Reality is an illusion it creates directly within its self, using (at least for co-created realities) the information in the quantum probability distribution as amplified by itself, and there is where it experiences it. I suspect there is no one objective external reality (save perhaps the full superimposed unmanifest realities of the field itself) that we all perceive, only similar subjective realities constructed from the same (or similar) information streams coming from the information in the quantum field. If micro-tubules are acting as antenna, then that phenomenon would also be a part of that self constructed reality of illusion.

Originally Posted by ketzer

Perhaps. But micro-tubules are still matter, so somehow they need to be materialized out of the information encoded in the quantum wave function(s). They may indeed be an illusory link back to un-manifest consciousness but if so I suspect they form a sort of a mental metaphor to continue the rabbit hole beyond matter and provide a physical visualization of that radio antenna that is picking up those quantum reality stations broadcasting from the un-manifest reality of the quantum probability distribution. Ultimately, I think it is consciousness itself that is creating the perceived reality of material things, including all those atoms, micro-tubules, and other organelles. Rending the information encoded in the waves into a virtual reality experience directly within its own conscious awareness. Reality is an illusion it creates directly within its self, using (at least for co-created realities) the information in the quantum probability distribution as amplified by itself, and there is where it experiences it. I suspect there is no one objective external reality (save perhaps the full superimposed unmanifest realities of the field itself) that we all perceive, only similar subjective realities constructed from the same (or similar) information streams coming from the information in the quantum field. If micro-tubules are acting as antenna, then that phenomenon would also be a part of that self constructed reality of illusion.

That's Sir Roger Penrose's contribution. He posits collapse of the wave function isn't due to observation, but collapses at an objective threshold based on spacetime geometry at the Planck Scale, resulting in an instance of proto-cosciousness.

Hameroff read his book where the above is posited (The Emperor's New Mind) and contacted him, saying he might have a mechanism for manifesting that proto-consciousness in the brain. In essence it's quantum entanglement between microtubules and wave function collapse.

Now from a non-dualist perspective one might say Wait! That keeps consciousness firmly within the realm of objective reality at the Planck Scale.

Well, since the Planck Scale is also part of Maya and Maya is a power of Brahman might not Brahman also be the power behind collapse of the wave function in order to serve Its purpose of experience through the many?