Ascension and meditation: Only an Olympian sees all of Greece!!!

[Dawn_is_a_play]

Primates have been living on this Earth for a long time. The birth of human mind is differentiated from that of a primate's with its capacity to think and organise that thinking. The ambit of the human activity is enormous when compared to any primate!

The beginning of thinking is the beginning of human psychology. The organised form of thinking is called culture. The evolution of culture lead to the advent of civilizations. Civilizations are the generators of the human populace.

There have been many generations of humans come and gone and this results in a quantitative increase in the repository of the human mind. The outcome is surely liable to create mental traffic. The psychological traffic is directly proportional to the number of generations. Thus we can establish that the increase in generations increases psychological traffic!

This thread does not incline towards an analysis of the human mind or judge whether the human psyche is for the good or bad.

The purpose is to investigate into the activity of the human mind. This is the real process of meditation. To see into the very framework of thinking and the movement behind it.[B] It is interesting the word meditation comes from the Latin root meditārī which means “to reflect upon”.[/b]

What would the entirety of human reflect upon?
Not in a specific era or time, not from the point of view of a generation, not even from the perspective of a single human but the entirety of the human mind!

To be able to see the totality of the human mind one must be at a vantage point. Like being up in Mount Olympus and look down on all of Greece! If one is part of the thinking entity (Greece) one can never ascend beyond(Mount Olympus) to witness and reflect upon the entirety!

Ascension is to go beyond the shackles of time and thought. If one is occupied with the past and the future, ascension is just an idea. Just like the word present is a reductionist idea of that which is beyond the human mind.
The Present contains all of time. All the past that happened and all of the future that would happen is within( the dynamics of) that which is reduced to as the present! The entire reality is of that dynamism and the whole of the sensory medium is within that transactuality. Humans reduce it to the present moment but can only sense in real time, to a certain limit. So the human abstraction and the sensory reception is never the present(transctual)in its totality!

So how does one ascend?
Any method, technique, system, approach towards ascension is of time and thought and surely within the movement of the human mind. Whatever one does is of this movement.

So how does one arrive at this vantage point!?

[WildHairedWoman]

Are you asking for a permanent ascension perspective or that fleeting moment all of us get occasionally? Thank you for defining the word "ascension", it is used in so may different ways.

[Dawn_is_a_play]

Originally Posted by WildHairedWoman

Are you asking for a permanent ascension perspective or that fleeting moment all of us get occasionally? Thank you for defining the word "ascension", it is used in so may different ways.

Thanks for writing.

A try out to answer,
Birth, play, death - the progeny of transcience, the recess that surround is allowed a transexistential being of its kind, that is fleeting too but that which is not of these types, leads to a "settle" that holds the rest and also void of the rest, almost bereft(of matter and spirit)all through(which assures in the layers of reality like a thin film)! if there is "this secure" what could it play and what would it say, within the sequence and in the latter that surrounds? ��

Brief try out- not so much about the sink holes where water can slip through(above or below) and return into the streams but the very Primordial seat!

Hope the language is okay! ��

[Miss Hepburn]

Only to give another perspective... only mine... not to disagree; icon_cool:
meditation is not for seeing into the very framework of thinking and so on,
altho, that is a wonderful side benefit. :)
For me, it is about Love - to connect privately, intimately,
in stillness, in the Secret Place with the One that is Divine Love extraordinaire.

[Dawn_is_a_play]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Only to give another perspective... only mine... not to disagree; icon_cool:
meditation is not for seeing into the very framework of thinking and so on,
altho, that is a wonderful side benefit. :)
For me, it is about Love - to connect privately, intimately,
in stillness, in the Secret Place with the One that is Divine Love extraordinaire.

One's perspective is welcome.
Be it any world, any place, any time, love always shines bright!
It can walk in the valley of shadows, play under the sun and rest in the heavens above.

Also, there might be something more beyond the rainbow...

[SilentDrum]

Originally Posted by Dawn_is_a_play

Any method, technique, system, approach towards ascension is of time and thought and surely within the movement of the human mind. Whatever one does is of this movement.

Within the movement of the human consciousness, not mind. Mind can be transcended. Consciousness is what we are -- and what everything is.

[Chac Chel]

Originally Posted by SilentDrum

Within the movement of the human consciousness, not mind. Mind can be transcended. Consciousness is what we are -- and what everything is.

What is human consciousness?
The state or condition of the human;

What is the state or condition of the human?
Duality is the state of the human.

What is duality?
I (Chac chel) and you (silent drum);
Woman (chac chel) and man (silent drum);
We (human) and other (everything else);

Our dual human consciousness is leela(illusion). Any meditation technique is the construction of our human dual consciousness. The dual consciousness that we are, can never become the unitary consciousness! We will always remain dual whatever we strive for! The striving entity is dual! Unitary consciousness has no time, no thought, no duality and no opposite!

The idea of "better/ becoming" is of time & duality. Ideas and organized ideas of "becoming" is from the root of human consciousness! Therefore any meditation (Jesus, Shiva technique or whatever fad), satsang, hand lying we might try to do can never become of that which is "pure, true and whole"!

Example: My vibrations are low and tomorrow i will raise my vibration higher! I am poor and tomorrow i will be rich; I am obscure and tomorrow i will become famous - this is the movement of thought (desire and will)! Not being able to face the nature of our consciousness we do all kinds of tricks, dont we!?

When you write, "consciousness is what we are and everything is Consciousness" , that means what? It means nothing because it is just "an idea". Perhaps you are conditioned to repeat it(from the past, through a guru, still playing cobwebs upon you). You are still within the field of (moving from past not meeting into the fullness of present but modifying into the future) human consciousness, maintaining the movement of dual mind, just like all of us!
If you or anyone says they are not dual, then it means you, they are saying "You/they are God, Please try not to.. its funny

The mother when she is going through the process of creation is put under immense psychosomatic pain. She never used any meditation techniques to endure that kind of affliction. Then even after passing through that hell of an experience, being ascended from her bodily nature (totally selfless) goes on to take care of the baby in sincere love, compassion and intelligence.

The meditation specialists and yoga practitioners try to reach that (motherly) state of love or (blissful existence) by doing nothing but playing with themselves. All I can see is fiddle-faddle with somnambulation, where you try to do nothing but avoid life! I can see why anyone would do meditation.. perhaps sacred of life and the tremendous momentum, they have shut(escape life) their eyes, nose, ears, mouth, their whole body into a lifeless statue state, a ridiculous forced coma!

A true mother is always more awake than any system, technique, practitioner of meditation or yoga!

Anyways, it’s upto you meditators, you keep on trying to transcend human consciousnesses by any tricks possible.Good luck with that! It’s your desire. Neither mine nor anybody’s; these are all my opinions, not here to ague.If you dont get it now, perhaps time will!


{Also had three NDEs and also into spiritual channeling and Goddess "Swayambhupujakapriya" came unto me and this is what she says}