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Old 16-07-2019, 01:06 PM
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If we are talking about grace. I thought this might help.

Kashmir Shaivism - The Nine Types Of Grace Of Shiva

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The following is from the the book The Secret Surpreme by Swami Lakshmanjoo. It describes the KS perspective of the nine types of aspirants (or grace given by Shiva to individuals) who follow the path.

I hope you will find it as interesting as I did...

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In the kingdom of spirituality. Lord Siva creates masters and disciples through His fifth act, the act of grace (anugraha). This grace is ninefold and, therefore. He creates masters and disciples in nine different ways.

The first and highest level of grace is called tivrativra sak-tipata. Tivrativra saktipata means "super supreme grace." When Lord Siva bestows super supreme grace on anyone, then that person becomes perfectly self-recognized. He knows his real nature completely and in perfection. At the same time, however, this kind of intense grace can not be resisted by his body, so he throws away his body and dies. This person becomes a master; however, he accomplishes the act of his mastery secretly in the deserving hearts of disciples. He is not visible in this world. Only those who are deserving experience his subtle existence.

The second intensity of grace is called tivramadhya saktipa-ta. This is "supreme medium grace." The effect of this grace of Lord Siva is that the recipient becomes completely and per-fectly illumined, but does not leave his body. He is said to be a pratibha guru, that is, a master who is made not by another master's initiation, but by his self, by his own grace. He expe-riences spontaneous enlightenment. These particular masters live in this world with their physical bodies for the upliftment of mankind.

The third intensity of grace is called tivramanda saktipata, which means "inferior supreme grace." In one who has received this grace the desire appears for going to the feet of a spiritual master. And the master that he finds has received the second intensity of grace, tivramadhya saktipata. This master is perfect. He is all knowing. There is no difference between this master and Siva. The master does not initiate him, rather, he simply touches him with his divine hand, or gazes upon him, or embraces him, and at that very moment this disciple, who is a recipient of medium supreme grace, perfectly tran-scends individuality and enters into that supreme transcenden-tal state without the need of practicing japa (recitation) or dhyana (contemplation), etc. Although he still experiences pleasure and pain in his physical body, it does not affect him, as his being has become supreme. That master who has received this particular intensity of grace, which is known as Rudra sakti-samavesah, is called Rudra sakti-samavistah because he has completely entered into the trance of Rudra sakti, the energy of Siva. He exhibits five signs which can be observed by others. The first sign is his intense love for Lord Siva. The second sign is that whenever he recites any mantra, the devata (deity) of that mantra appears to him at once without his having to wait. This is called mantrasiddhih. The third sign which can be observed is that he has control over the five elements. The fourth sign is that what-ever work he begins, he completes that work without defect. And the fifth sign is that either he is a master of all the scrip-tures or he becomes a great poet. Lord Siva, through these three supreme intensities of grace, creates masters in the kingdom of spirituality. With lower intensities of grace Lord Siva creates worthy disciples.

The fourth intensity of grace is called madhyativara sak-tipdta. This is "medium supreme grace." Through the effect of this intensity of grace, the disciple reaches the feet of that mas-ter who is absolutely perfect. But because the foundation estab-lished in the mind of this disciple is not quite completely per-fect, the mere touch or glance of this perfect master will not bring this disciple to enlightenment. He, therefore, initiates this disciple in the proper fashion by giving him a mantra and teaching him the proper way of treading. Through this initia-tion, the disciple becomes enlightened but during the period of the existence of his physical body, he is not completely satisfied with this enlightenment. When he leaves his physical body at the time of his death, however, he obtains completely satis-factory results from the initiation he had received earlier and becomes one with Siva.

The fifth intensity of grace is called madhyamadhya sak-tipdta, which means "medium middle grace." When Lord Siva bestows this particular intensity of grace upon someone, the intense desire for achieving the existence of Lord Siva arises in this person's mind. At the same time, however, he does not want to ignore the enjoyments of the world. He wants to enjoy worldly pleasures along with wanting to realize the existence of Lord Siva. Yet the intensity of his desire is only for achiev-ing Lord Siva's state. So, although he is initiated by a master and realizes his real nature as Lord Siva, his real self, and enjoys the bliss of that state while remaining in his physical body, simultaneously he also enjoys the pleasures of the world. But as these worldly pleasures, which take place in this mortal field of the universe, are not real pleasures, at the time of his leaving his physical body, he enters into the kingdom of para-dise (svargaloka) and enjoys all the worldly pleasures to his entire satisfaction. After he has satisfied his desire for worldly pleasures, he does not come down again into this world but is again initiated by his master, who is all-pervading, while he remains in heaven. Through this initiation, he becomes com-plete and realizes the reality of his supreme nature and he enters into the kingdom of Lord Siva and merges in Him com-pletely from heaven itself.

The sixth intensity of grace is called madhyamanda saktipa-ta, which means "medium inferior grace." The effect of this grace is very much like the effect of medium middle grace; however, the difference lies in predominance. The effect of medium middle grace is that in the mind of the disciple arises both the desire for attaining the state of Lord Siva and the desire for experiencing worldly pleasures. The predominant desire, however, is for attaining the state of Lord Siva. The effect of medium inferior grace is also that in the mind of this disciple arise both the desire for attaining the state of Lord Siva and the desire for experiencing worldly pleasures. However, the predominant desire here is for experiencing worldly pleas-ures. Though he achieves self-realization, it is not complete because of the agitation he experiences seeking worldly pleas-ures. So at the time of his leaving his physical body, this inten-sity of grace carries him from this mortal world first to para-dise, where he enjoys the pleasures of the world. But while in paradise he does not gain the fitness to begin practicing for attaining the realization of his self. He must, therefore, be again reborn and come down into this mortal field. And from that very birth he sentences his mind toward the fulfillment of his self-realization. Although his life in this mortal realm is very short, as Lord Siva wants to carry him quickly to his own state, he becomes absolutely complete in that short span of time and enters, in the end, into the transcendental state of Siva. The above three medium intensities of grace take place in the field of aspirants living in the kingdom of Sivadharma. Those aspirants have the inclination to achieve the state of self-realization at least half hourly during the day and at least twice during the night. The remaining period they keep aside for worldly pleasures.

The following three inferior intensities of grace - manda tivra (inferior supreme), manda madhya (inferior medium), and manda manda (inferior inferior) - take place in the field of aspirants living in lokadharmah, the kingdom of worldly life. These aspirants have the desire for achieving self-realization, the state of Lord Siva, only when the pains and pressures of this world become too much to bear. At that moment, they want to abandon everything and achieve self-realization but they are not able to, and though they want to leave this worldly life, they cannot. These aspirants have more tendency for worldly pleasure and less tendency for realizing their Self. But, as the grace of Lord Siva shines in them, in the end, which may take many lifetimes, they become one with the supreme being. This is the greatness of Lord Siva's grace - that no matter what intensity of His grace is with you, it will carry you to his nature in the end.
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Old 16-07-2019, 01:20 PM
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If we are talking about grace. I thought this might help.

Kashmir Shaivism - The Nine Types Of Grace Of Shiva

Thanks.

That's certainly illuminating, though perhaps overly complicated in trying to create so many different levels of Shaktipat. I think this happens on the individual level, depending on the needs and level of development of the individual. I received Shaktipat through divine grace, but I don't see myself fitting into any of the above categories.
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Old 16-07-2019, 01:23 PM
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Thanks.

That's certainly illuminating, though perhaps overly complicated in trying to create so many different levels of Shaktipat. I think this happens on the individual level, depending on the needs and level of development of the individual. I received Shaktipat through divine grace, but I don't see myself fitting into any of the above categories.

What did the Shaktipat do for you? Also, do you mind sharing what it felt like for you?
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Old 16-07-2019, 01:48 PM
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What did the Shaktipat do for you? Also, do you mind sharing what it felt like for you?

Yes, I did describe my experiences in various threads, also possibly on this one earlier on, but it's impossible to keep track of them after a while. Perhaps I should put it in my signature…

I was saved by divine intervention.

My Kundalini started rising more or less spontaneously, (preceded by 20 years of intermittent meditation and study), at age 33 in 2012 whilst I lived in London.

By December of 2012 I developed serious Kundalini Syndrome symptoms, as the energy was stuck at my heart chakra.

I asked for Divine intervention and received it the next day.

The Goddess descended from Heaven whilst I was washing up in the kitchen of my flat. I did not see her, as she was behind me, but I felt her radiance and was covered by light. You could say that I perceived her with my other senses, which I didn't even know existed up to that time.

As she got closer to me, I felt her intentions and she radiated love and compassion. She communicated with me through direct thought transfer. The closest equivalent I can find is the Vulcan mind-meld of Star Trek. Her thoughts were my thoughts and my thoughts were her thoughts.

She then touched my heart chakra from behind, which I felt as a real, physical touch. She gave me her energy (Shakti) and blasted the Karmic blocks that were causing me considerable mental and physical trouble. She basically burnt away all my energetic impurities, my past Karma, with this incredible surge of divine energy.

After this I lied down in my room and allowed the Kundalini to rise all the way to the top. At the Brahmarendra section (Top back part of the Skull), the energy got stuck again. She then floated into the room as a being of light and energy. She hugged me energetically, surrounded me with her light, gave me her energy again and merged with me entirely.

I heard a breaking sound and the serpent broke through my skull, with huge relief. A crow crowed four time on the tree opposite my window at this very moment.

I was flooded with blinding white light and moved out of my body in an orgasmic sensation of incredible, infinite bliss and joy. This is referred to as the Union of Shiva and Shakti. For a while, I extended into infinity and became universal consciousness. I was all-knowing in this state, but could only take back a fraction of what I learned in this infinite state, when I returned into my body. That was a slow process as I gradually shrunk and the ultra-connectedness and infinitude gradually faded away and my physical awareness returned.

The Goddess has paid many subsequent visits, in her various forms. There were other entities who visited, some not so benevolent, but I learnt to distinguish between the selfless ones and self-serving ones with time. My Kundalini problems didn't immediately go away, in fact it was several years until my nervous system adjusted to the much higher flow rate of energy and information. However, I was saved from immediate disaster, as I believe my life, or at least my sanity was definitely in danger at this point.
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Old 16-07-2019, 02:47 PM
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Yes, I did describe my experiences in various threads, also possibly on this one earlier on, but it's impossible to keep track of them after a while. Perhaps I should put it in my signature…

I was saved by divine intervention.

My Kundalini started rising more or less spontaneously, (preceded by 20 years of intermittent meditation and study), at age 33 in 2012 whilst I lived in London.

By December of 2012 I developed serious Kundalini Syndrome symptoms, as the energy was stuck at my heart chakra.

I asked for Divine intervention and received it the next day.

The Goddess descended from Heaven whilst I was washing up in the kitchen of my flat. I did not see her, as she was behind me, but I felt her radiance and was covered by light. You could say that I perceived her with my other senses, which I didn't even know existed up to that time.

As she got closer to me, I felt her intentions and she radiated love and compassion. She communicated with me through direct thought transfer. The closest equivalent I can find is the Vulcan mind-meld of Star Trek. Her thoughts were my thoughts and my thoughts were her thoughts.

She then touched my heart chakra from behind, which I felt as a real, physical touch. She gave me her energy (Shakti) and blasted the Karmic blocks that were causing me considerable mental and physical trouble. She basically burnt away all my energetic impurities, my past Karma, with this incredible surge of divine energy.

After this I lied down in my room and allowed the Kundalini to rise all the way to the top. At the Brahmarendra section (Top back part of the Skull), the energy got stuck again. She then floated into the room as a being of light and energy. She hugged me energetically, surrounded me with her light, gave me her energy again and merged with me entirely.

I heard a breaking sound and the serpent broke through my skull, with huge relief. A crow crowed four time on the tree opposite my window at this very moment.

I was flooded with blinding white light and moved out of my body in an orgasmic sensation of incredible, infinite bliss and joy. This is referred to as the Union of Shiva and Shakti. For a while, I extended into infinity and became universal consciousness. I was all-knowing in this state, but could only take back a fraction of what I learned in this infinite state, when I returned into my body. That was a slow process as I gradually shrunk and the ultra-connectedness and infinitude gradually faded away and my physical awareness returned.

The Goddess has paid many subsequent visits, in her various forms. There were other entities who visited, some not so benevolent, but I learnt to distinguish between the selfless ones and self-serving ones with time. My Kundalini problems didn't immediately go away, in fact it was several years until my nervous system adjusted to the much higher flow rate of energy and information. However, I was saved from immediate disaster, as I believe my life, or at least my sanity was definitely in danger at this point.

Very cool astral stuff.

If you are up for a little experiment.. Think of hugging/touching me in a way that is appropriate to you. Hold the intent for 15-20 seconds and let me know what you see/feel with it.
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Very cool astral stuff.


bliss and knowing to.

welcome back jonesboy. hadn't seen you here in a bit.
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could be like........
https://youtu.be/bpNw7jYkbVc
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bliss and knowing to.

welcome back jonesboy. hadn't seen you here in a bit.

Thanks running :)

Yeah I have been quite for awhile even at LU.

Trying something new. In the past education on traditions and things hasn't worked out so well. So maybe just directly showing people might work out better.

We'll see
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Thanks running :)

Yeah I have been quite for awhile even at LU.

Trying something new. In the past education on traditions and things hasn't worked out so well. So maybe just directly showing people might work out better.

We'll see

i think exchanges sorta melt the pot reguardless of how we think something went. but in any case wish you well on what your doing now.

oh yeah. and im taking a break from driving up highway 1 towards big sur. everyone unloads there stuff in a couple mile stretch as they expand from the power there. then i drive through and suck it all up. i know the goal is to be able to flow through whatever just fine. but if i have to in a sense check out into the witness stand for a day for it to all clear its not worth it for me at this time. hopefully at some point i will move beyond that. one day down the road. its kinda funny. cause i have never driven through anywhere except that little stretch that has effected me in such a way. and i do drive a lot in a lot of places. lol
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Very cool astral stuff.

If you are up for a little experiment.. Think of hugging/touching me in a way that is appropriate to you. Hold the intent for 15-20 seconds and let me know what you see/feel with it.

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Intriguing! What’s this about and to what end (beginning)?

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Intriguing! What’s this about and to what end (beginning)?

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It depends on the person who tries it.

If someone has bad kundalini issues it could help remove them.

Some may feel intense silence, others energy moving within or around them or a combination of silence and energy.

Some may feel nothing at all.

The seeing will be different also. Most seeing is a local mind translation of the light, but as I am using it, it is a means of connecting, of helping.

I am not doing anything to anyone.

The end result is to help one drop issues and fears/obstructions and progress along the path. To improve the quality of ones life.

Here is an example of me working with a group yesterday.

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tom [11:09 AM]
Feel free to comment.


ryan_the_traveler [11:09 AM]
getting activity in 6th
some strain in 5th
very slight pressure on ears, barely noticable
some flows in 7th

tom [11:16 AM]
See me in the dive?

ryan_the_traveler [11:17 AM]
first time a dive has been so 6th chakra focused
looking now...

Dorothy [11:21 AM]
I wonder if I’m feeling the same thing. Pressure from neck up to between ears
Spilling over into me twitching with involuntary neck movements

ryan_the_traveler [11:23 AM]
interesting @tom, I see an chinese dragon mostly white with black stripes, its flying near the coast.
wow getting this peaceful warm sensation in 6th now, making me smile

tom [11:23 AM]
Interesting.. I had lots of pressure starting the dive, have strong male 3rd eye.. loud tones.

Dorothy [11:24 AM]
Lots of calm now
Pressure in head
Very peaceful :slightly_smiling_face:

ryan_the_traveler [11:26 AM]
same here

tom [11:27 AM]
Try to reside in the pressure.

Jonny [11:27 AM]
Big throat activation for me

tom [11:28 AM]
See me with it?

Jonny [11:29 AM]
Getting you as a blonde standing next to some trees/shrubs outside of an office building. Strong.

Dorothy [11:30 AM]
Are you a very white ish blonde haired woman?
Long hair
Skinny
Not very good with seeing these days :)

tom [11:31 AM]
Seems like you are :slightly_smiling_face:
Blonde female and why everyone is transmitting so strongly in the dive.

Jonny [11:33 AM]
Yes I feel I’m transmitting strongly too.

ryan_the_traveler [11:34 AM]
this is so cool, havent had so much activity in 6th.

Dorothy [11:34 AM]
Feeling pretty blissed out

ryan_the_traveler [11:34 AM]
like a gentle warm numbness
when i focus on it it makes me smile

spectralstar [11:44 AM]
I see the female slightly brunnete/red haired :slightly_smiling_face:

ryan_the_traveler [11:45 AM]
why is everyone seeing women and I see a chinese dragon??

spectralstar [11:46 AM]
Yes I see her playing and laughing ... like a dragon

tom [11:46 AM]
All are correct :slightly_smiling_face:

ryan_the_traveler [11:47 AM]
but im still curious as to why i see a dragon?

tom [11:48 AM]
Just how your mind is translating the light.. if you think of me as a female and look.. what do you get.

ryan_the_traveler [11:49 AM]
im out of gas
:sleeping:

tom [11:49 AM]
Even better.. just relax and reside in the flows.
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