The theory that Jesus was an Essene?

[virtue121]

I have heard that Jesus was connected with and associated with the Essenes and that they were Gnostic

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by davidmartin

Agree with that about Baptism for sure!
Probably there were many types of Essenes and maybe Jesus was connected with one of them, he had things in common with them as well as differences with some of them
A person back then would be spoilt for choice over which group or sect to join. Jesus managed to gather quite a following!

As was also most likely, John the Baptist His cousin, who's ministry preceded His.

[Gideon2037]

Originally Posted by Tobi

Good thread....but I moved it. To the Christian section. I think it may be mis-placed in the Judaism section?

I think that this belongs more in the Judaism forum because my over all point is that Jesus was a shining example of a Jew. That he was an amalgamation of Jewish philosophies and sects. I'm Jewish on my fathers side, and though it has no basis in fact, there is something that rings in my blood when I think of Jesus in this way, if that makes sense.

But I definitely appreciate the responses and view points unique to this forum when it comes to this theory.

[Gideon2037]

Originally Posted by weareunity

Hello Gideon--2037.
I find your post open, honest, enquiring, refreshing and respectful. Thank you for your interesting post. Your interest is well founded. Good wishes. petex

This is belated but thanks for the response and acceptance.

[Gideon2037]

Originally Posted by Amilius777

I believe it

Jesus was shaped and formed in a perfect spiritual environment so he could become the person he was born to be.

The Essenes were not taken seriously. I guess you could say they were the spiritual, witchy weirdos in the north who practiced celibacy- precursor to Catholicism; whereas the Pharisees were the organized- mainline Judaism and the Sadducees didn't believe in anything except God, the Torah, justice, social issues, and freedom from Rome. The Pharisees were like the republicans of their time who side with evangelicalism and religious purity, and Sadducees were more Democrats who side with secularism and atheism. And then you had the Essenes who were in the middle, a spiritual mystical group

Jesus needed that environment, the parents he was given, and the teachers who would help shape him into the Christ. I don't think the Essenes embraced him though. They at least knew he was the one chosen by God to receive the Spirit of the Anointed, and become the anointed One; but they probably tried shaping him to their cult. Whereas Jesus wanted to bring his message to everyone and not establish the Essenes as the one right and true way.

John the Baptist was more of a traditional Essenes. Both him and Jesus were highly evolved adepts of that Esoteric religion. Jesus was further advanced because his karma was pure and didn't have any debts like John did from his life as Elijah. Jesus was pure to receive the anointing of the Lord
. The Baptism was staged as a ritual by John, an act done by the Essenes to proclaim to the rest of their Hebrew world that Jesus was the One chosen by God. The washing away of "sin" wasn't necessary for Jesus , it was simply the ritual to announce his Christhood to the common folk, that this Christ was not someone raising themselves to a pedestal but a lowly peasant Carpenter who saw himself no better than anyone else.

Thanks. Thats a great way to put it, and exactly how I saw it. The Essene's shaped him as a child. They say the Essene's were also collectors of ancient religious texts and histories. I wonder if he had access to these historical texts? I think it might help explain his broadened knowledge of things as shown when he was 12 and preaching to Rabbi's in the temple.

2 things: wasn't John the Baptists a Nazerene? Also I recently read an article that I cannot yet post a link to (newbie status) That spoke on bones pulled out of the graveyard of the writers of the dead sea scrolls.

Search "Ancient skeletons could finally reveal the origins of the dead sea scrolls" it's a Science Alert article.

The bones uncovered were all almost all shown to be male, and there were some other things that I can't remember.

[Gideon2037]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

You may be correct David.
But, we understand that Baptism is a symbolic representation of something inward.
Not really about the body.

In the New Testament also there is something expressed by the Lord about humility connected with foot washing.
Suppression of ego.

Finally, we see how the Essene community eschewed the mainline Jewish priesthood, which Jesus had also found fault with.

Yes the foot washing was another clue of a tradition he may have picked up from the Essene's. Also the Essene's followed the Solar calendar. 364 days.
the solar calendar shifted the dates of holidays from those of traditional Judaism,

Which puts the Essene Passover on the Tues that Jesus had his last supper.

On a side note:There is also evidence that that meal was held in an Essene guest house.

If he did have the last supper on a tues then it would settle an age old uncertainty about the last days of his life
Passover/last supper on tues, crucified on fri, then "what you believe" for the next few days. This according to theories put forth in articles cannot yet post, but fast approaching

[weareunity]

Hello Gideon and all.
There is a good deal of information on essene.org
petex

[Morpheus]

In the very thoroughly researched book, "Signs in thr Sky", author Adrian Gilbert shares how there seems to be evidence of a "Son of Man" school running through the ages of the writings. This signified by the clothes of certain key characters and prophets such as Samson, and Ezekiel, John the Baptist. Course camel hair clothing, and girded about with wide belt.

All related to the constellation of Orion.

One of the historians described the Essenes as ages old, and they may in fact be related to this societal school.

[Ascension]

If what you say is true , then prosperity through determination is said of you from him , has him ...
everything is connected through him . - I am

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by weareunity

Hello Gideon and all.
There is a good deal of information on essene.org
petex

This present day group is just another conspiritorial cultic organization, which emphasises such things as vegetarianism.

Meanwhile, Jesus has stated that it isn't what goes into a person which defiles them. But what comes out.
Mathew 15:11.

St. Paul also reiterated the same. Who this present day group calling themselves "Essene", maintains libelous conspiracy towards.
Romans 14:6.

"Petex"? You seem to have issues yourself, regarding maintaining a single profile name.