everthing. or nothing. that is the first question.

[running]

if it exists and for no reason. then is it because of nothing?

if it exists and its in everything. then is it because of everything

if its because of nothing. yet in everything. then what is spiritual? another thing to ponder.

if its beyond peace. if its beyond action. and one or the other may bring one to it. then where might the preference then be? is it peace? is it action?

I say the preference is peace. And it does exist.

[running]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

I say the preference is peace. And it does exist.

ok. thanks for your thought.

was listening to a guru that told a story about a vegetable seller in india. the man had found the thing beyond peace and action. he asked the man, "why vegetables." the man said, "i have always been a vegetable dealer. years ago i came into a great illness. for months i was in the hospital. every day i thought i would die. during that something came over me. became in the space of endless bliss. i healed and went back to my vegetables. everybody whom comes to me i bless them with a terrible illness like i had." lol

My experience is peace is part of bliss and action not necessarily.
I also assume the it you are referring to is the source of all including the nothingness.
I would gladly give this illness to all if all attained bliss.
Of course I know nothing.

[running]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

My experience is peace is part of bliss and action not necessarily.
I also assume the it you are referring to is the source of all including the nothingness.
I would gladly give this illness to all if all attained bliss.
Of course I know nothing.

bliss that im speaking about is continious and completely independent of what is. meaning. reguardless of what may be it is there. as described in the first two questions.

[hallow]

You will find whatever your looking for, but the journey there might be a hard one. Maybe it's jorney it self is what you really want.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by running

if it exists and for no reason. then is it because of nothing?

if it exists and its in everything. then is it because of everything

if its because of nothing. yet in everything. then what is spiritual? another thing to ponder.

if its beyond peace. if its beyond action. and one or the other may bring one to it. then where might the preference then be? is it peace? is it action?

What "it" is being described. Everything? Bits of information. The universe was put on auto. The universe is based on information and everything replicated no creation is necessary. Something (specific) from something. Thinking that's the reason it remains (existent) present now. Existence now is from existence. Does anyone else see this?

[running]

ok folks. for those that may not know the topic at hand here is a definition. hope that helps. furthermore the purpose in my mind for starting the thread is a thought experiment of how perhaps there are endless ways from point a to point b. with that said please feel free to take it where ever you wish.


Satchitananda (IAST: Satcitānanda) or Sacchidānanda representing "existence, consciousness, and bliss" or "truth, consciousness, bliss", is an epithet and description for the subjective experience of the ultimate, unchanging reality in Hinduism called Brahman.

Originally Posted by running

if it exists and for no reason. then is it because of nothing?

if it exists and its in everything. then is it because of everything

if its because of nothing. yet in everything. then what is spiritual? another thing to ponder.

It's our capacity to make so much out of so little, or something out of nothing.

Originally Posted by running

if its beyond peace. if its beyond action. and one or the other may bring one to it. then where might the preference then be? is it peace? is it action?

It is neti-neti. It's beyond action, beyond the mind's construct of this versus that, existence versus non-existence, reason versus no reason. Beyond Spiritual versus non-Spiritual - this is where peace rests.

"Not this, not this."

Originally Posted by running

was listening to a guru that told a story about a vegetable seller in india. the man had found the thing beyond peace and action. he asked the man, "why vegetables." the man said, "i have always been a vegetable dealer. years ago i came into a great illness. for months i was in the hospital. every day i thought i would die. during that something came over me. became in the space of endless bliss. i healed and went back to my vegetables. everybody whom comes to me i bless them with a terrible illness like i had." lol

I've had a similar experience recently so this I can very much relate to - except the guru part anyway. I'd prefer to call it 'peace' rather than 'bliss' but then often it simply comes down to personal interpretations.

From a psychological perspective, in situations where we're faced with a threat to our own mortality or extreme pain that's too much to cope with, the mind can create safety mechanisms as a survival technique. That happened to me as a child and I'm still dealing with the consequences. Flooding the brain with the happy hormone is also a survival mechanism. So whether we attribute the experience to Spirituality or science is a question not of fact nor belief, but of agenda.

Originally Posted by running

Satchitananda (IAST: Satcitānanda) or Sacchidānanda representing "existence, consciousness, and bliss" or "truth, consciousness, bliss", is an epithet and description for the subjective experience of the ultimate, unchanging reality in Hinduism called Brahman..

Aren't all of those things not beyond thought? Just a thought.

[running]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

It's our capacity to make so much out of so little, or something out of nothing.

It is neti-neti. It's beyond action, beyond the mind's construct of this versus that, existence versus non-existence, reason versus no reason. Beyond Spiritual versus non-Spiritual - this is where peace rests.

"Not this, not this."


I've had a similar experience recently so this I can very much relate to - except the guru part anyway. I'd prefer to call it 'peace' rather than 'bliss' but then often it simply comes down to personal interpretations.

From a psychological perspective, in situations where we're faced with a threat to our own mortality or extreme pain that's too much to cope with, the mind can create safety mechanisms as a survival technique. That happened to me as a child and I'm still dealing with the consequences. Flooding the brain with the happy hormone is also a survival mechanism. So whether we attribute the experience to Spirituality or science is a question not of fact nor belief, but of agenda.

Aren't all of those things not beyond thought? Just a thought.

thanks for your thughts! think i would like to share my experince with going into survival mode. as that was a big part of my journey. but im out of time and got to sleep. so will do so later.