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Old 30-03-2013, 12:00 PM
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@ Greenslade & @ psychoslice

Yesterday I was reading about karma in a book by Dolores Cannon titled Between death and life. As you may know Cannon "interviews" clients under deep hypnosis, a level of hypnosis she calls "somnambulist." At that level she communicates with one entity no matter who or where her clients happen to be.

According to this entity it is the creating of karma that causes the universe to go on.
Karma, the law of cause and effect, does not mean that a murderer is murdered in a future life by the victim. The murderer's karma can be balanced in other ways. "Karma is a natural cycle that you can grow and develop through to become your ultimate self."

Can we stop from acting? Acts cannot be separated from reactions and that is the creating of karma. "Just the act of breathing works out karma."
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Old 30-03-2013, 02:47 PM
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Karma exists only on the human single plane.
In pure light and truth.
Krishna.
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Old 30-03-2013, 03:50 PM
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Karma exists only on the human single plane.
In pure light and truth.
Krishna.

There is action and reaction on all levels. If that were not so, as you believe krishna, all spiritual realms would be static.
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Old 30-03-2013, 04:05 PM
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Is reincarnation perhaps a construct like linear time?

You raise great points Bluegreen. You're absolutely right that reincarnation, as a concept of "past lives" doesn't square with the eternal Now idea. And it does seem as if they are accessible always, so it would probably be more accurate to think of us as living many existences simultaneously.

And it invalidates the idea of creating "karma" that needs to be undone "later".

Good points.

Lora
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Old 30-03-2013, 04:34 PM
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You raise great points Bluegreen. You're absolutely right that reincarnation, as a concept of "past lives" doesn't square with the eternal Now idea. And it does seem as if they are accessible always, so it would probably be more accurate to think of us as living many existences simultaneously.

And it invalidates the idea of creating "karma" that needs to be undone "later".

Good points.

Lora

On the other hand, Lora, if karma is the law that says that action begets reaction then no matter what we do=action, it will always beget a reaction whether on earth or elsewhere. Everything is energy in varying degrees of frequency and it is in motion whether here or in the eternal now. No thing is static and without movement. A piece of wood seems static but it isn't. It is energy at such a low frequency that it appears motionless.

It seems paradoxical but that is because I cannot imagine what the eternal now is, how it works.
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Old 31-03-2013, 05:20 PM
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IDK, Bluegreen, I would think that every action has an effect but I'm not so sure it's always a reaction to another action. Therefore, if I understand the eternal Now concept, there is change happening, but it results in what is now. Even the word "change" requires a past, so I'm not so sure, in our deeply-embedded time-frame of reference, we can even discuss this without those concepts being behind every word.

But lately, I don't seem to be able to do headspace concepts so well. And so I take by that, that I shouldn't try!!

Lora
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Old 31-03-2013, 07:42 PM
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IDK, Bluegreen, I would think that every action has an effect but I'm not so sure it's always a reaction to another action. Therefore, if I understand the eternal Now concept, there is change happening, but it results in what is now. Even the word "change" requires a past, so I'm not so sure, in our deeply-embedded time-frame of reference, we can even discuss this without those concepts being behind every word.

But lately, I don't seem to be able to do headspace concepts so well. And so I take by that, that I shouldn't try!!

Lora

I'm not doing any better than you when it comes to understanding "eternal now." I do understand however that action begets reaction, action results in an effect, a domino effect even since everything is connected. I see it as a pebble dropped in a lake will displace all the water in the lake.
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Old 31-03-2013, 08:40 PM
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I do understand however that action begets reaction, action results in an effect, a domino effect even since everything is connected. I see it as a pebble dropped in a lake will displace all the water in the lake.

But in an eternal now, there is no begetting or effecting or resulting. It all happens at the same time, doesn't it? Or am I not understanding it?

The pebble. The drop. The ripple. All right now.

A few years ago, I had an experience of the 'present moment' where everything occurred. It was pretty awesome.

So karma - as cause & effect - becomes redundant in an eternal now. There is no following one from the other - they happen simultaneously.

Or something like that.
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Old 31-03-2013, 08:47 PM
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On the face of it, an eternal now sounds like something of a bind.
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Old 31-03-2013, 08:50 PM
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Quite correct Squat, and might I also say, beautifully put
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