Are There Animals in The Hereafter & Do They Reincarnate?

[linen53]

Sorry for the delay responding. It has been kind of busy for me the past few days.

Originally Posted by Rah nam

It is not that strait forward and simple.
What kind of animal are we taking about?
Looking at you avatar, I am almost sure you think about your pet(s), cats and dogs, and not ants and snail. Am I correct?
Our Pets, or those animals humans keep as pets are already very close to moving into the third density, which mean, they might already separating from the oversoul and in the process of becoming an individual soul, and at that point they will incarnate into a human body and start waking upright.
In this times of transition, they can stay with "humans". Not really humans but spirits who incarnate in human bodies. Usually for a short wile.
Cycles of animals are usually very fast, out and back in. There is no evaluation involved, since there is no self awareness. Everything is done by the oversoul.

Rah nam you make some very interesting comments. I have always felt that animals that reside with humans were near to evolving into the human aspect of life. That thought just felt right to me.

Originally Posted by mikron

this has been spoken about a lot in the archives
humans have Soul potential and that makes better connections to others
animals have astral nature only (only Now time focus) ... so the have group soul
to answer your question
Yes animals go to the astral plane with humans
just a small note that there is no one ever born on astral and mental planes
all most go through the physical experience
means things get more serious and creative as we all move higher
cheers
mikron

mikron I know this subject has been brought up before. How could it not but searching archives is very difficult. Have to shift through many threads to find out what I want to know. I apologize for the redundancy. I like what you say. So the animals have no soul? But rather an oversoul so to speak? And animals live on the astral plane and humans live on the mental plane? Do you think the animals ever “evolve” into the mental plane. Just curious.

Originally Posted by Tobi

Animals in Heaven (1,2,3.) My first hand personal experience with many animal species is limited as the only one I have had, was with my dog. I can only speak from experience and my own evidence. I won't go further than that, or speak about other peoples' experiences, or speculate. But just tell you what I know for sure. I can't report on anything I have not experienced first-hand.

Yes, she (my dog) passed through at 'death' to an astral state. This was a full consciousness state, with complete and tangible etheric and astral bodies, precisely like her physical body, but with no signs of the lumps beneath her fur, which she had prior to her passing-over. The energy-signature of her and her character was also distinct and intact. She was healed of all weakness and weariness, brought about by her final illness.
She also possessed an "inner light". I was familiar with this while she lived, but after her passing, it became stronger; magnified. I don't know what this is labelled or called. I consider it her 'connection with Source'. (just as we have)
A little while after her passing, this 'inner light' core of her found its own level in the spiritual worlds. She now lives in the company of animals AND humans, and comes back to visit me very frequently. She has done this now for nearly 18 months.

I am certain I will meet her when I pass over. Whether I will be pure enough of Heart to live continually on her level....I can't yet say of course. Let's hope so! I have a yellow astral frisbee waiting for some action!

This implies clear conscious awareness, the ability to remember well, compassion, love, and the flexibility and skill to easily traverse astral worlds.
(I have written a book, finished today, about my life with her, the drama of her rescue, and what happened after her 'death'. It will be at least 2 weeks until it is ready for publication, maybe longer, but when it's ready I will post updates and links to where it can be obtained, on the website -on my signature, below.)

I have no personal experience or knowledge of them re-incarnating. I know those who have, and who talk about this, but as I said, I can't say, as I don't know, personally.

Tobi! Love your story! I know I have at least one pet that will be there for me when I die. So you say she has found her own level in the spiritual worlds. It is so good to know she is with animals and humans. I wonder if the animals are connected to humans or all animals incarnated such as deer, rabbits, etc. Thanks for your input.

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

People seem to forget that we humans are animals. We are not superior to any other creature. Whatever fate awaits animals after death awaits us too, because we are animals.

Ecthalion, I do understand what you are saying. But since we can problem solve and have learned to take care of ourselves unlike some animals are we different? Animals seem to base their lives on their instincts. Whereas humans, though, do have instincts, depend more on thinking. They can adapt whereas most animals cannot.

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

Animals have souls as we do and are on their own evolutionary path.

Animals (i.e. pets) that have felt the warmth and love of human companionship acquire individuality, which they retain after 'death'. [Numerous NDEs involving pets - the Bryce Bond NDE being the most notable]

After 'death' animals that have not experienced this love bond will go to their own species realm in the spirit world.

Life is progressive. The soul immortal. Animals are ascending the spheres of Light, as we are.

knightofalbion, I do believe animals have souls. I like what you say that ones close to humans acquire individuality. That makes sense. So are the wild animals just here to experience life? How can a wild animal evolve? Surely not through acts of kindness and love as we do.

Originally Posted by kris

Animals and us

kris I have saved your link for future reading. Thank you.

Originally Posted by desert rat

I certainly believe that animals reincarnate , hang around as ghosts , go to the astral planes , as we humans do .

desert rat, now that is an interesting thought….animal ghosts?

Originally Posted by samantha360

I think that all animals and people both transcend the same way whatever happens. Whether it's reincarnation or an afterlife. As to what really happens I don't know. And thinking about it I think it's good I don't know. I'm not sure I would want to.

samantha, I don’t think anyone can know 100% of the truth since the afterlife is much delusion. In other words, we see what we want to see. I think it is many dimensions above before the delusions fall away and are no longer necessary for us.

[desert rat]

On animal ghosts , people do see them . If you search s.f. and some of the other forums you will find posts on animal ghosts . A pet still hanging around in the chair , or foot of the bed as when alive .

[linen53]

How cool is that!! So animal ghosts have unfinished business before they move on.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by linen53

knightofalbion, I do believe animals have souls. I like what you say that ones close to humans acquire individuality. That makes sense. So are the wild animals just here to experience life? How can a wild animal evolve? Surely not through acts of kindness and love as we do.

Every incarnation brings experience and progression to some degree.

But it is positive association with humans that provides the greatest opportunity for spiritual evolution.

That being said I think we underestimate animal emotion. An animal, even one of the more powerful ones, can be capable of great love and tenderness towards their young and their own kind.
There have been incidences of animal altruism, helping others of their own species or even those of other species.

[linen53]

knightofalbion, I agree with most of what you say but I believe incarnations can also cause regression.

Animals nurture their young and yes they do love them. Some more than others. Some not at all. A lioness will often forget where she stashed her cubs, did you know that? Nurturing is not real big with lions.

I wonder how much of the nurturing is from instinct and how much is by choice.

I've read some really incredible stories of animals that go out of their way to save a person or another animal. I remember a story of a goose one time that saved an infant that had been left outside unattended for just a few minutes. Can't remember what animal tried to get to the infant but the goose gave it's life before the mother came outside to rescue her child. Some really incredible stories, yes indeedy.

For many many years, mediums and (in more recent yrs) NDE survivors and animal communicators have reported the existence of our nonhuman brothers and sisters on the other side. They also have karmic lessons in life (though a bit different from humans), reincarnate and evolve spiritually just as we do. They are just as real in physical and subtle body, and just as important to the Creator, as any human is. Why wouldn't they?

I've had several experiences with mediums and animal communicators where they'd get communications from the deceased dog, bird, etc and give all sorts of details that the person could not have possibly known, they even have popped in to a session with a medium UNEXPECTEDLY (the session was for something else), just to basically say hi and let me know they were with my deceased grandmother!! Again with the medium providing all the details about the animals that he could not have possibly known otherwise (i.e., even if he were reading my mind, I wasn't thinking of them let alone my grandmother at the time and he knew nothing about their prior existence in my life at that time).

So yah, they definitely do go where everyone else goes. And they even stick around us afterward if they feel the need to. My canine friend (who was more than just a friend) still comes around to this day, over 20 yrs after his passing always when I least expect it. Same energy, same healing love, sometimes even his scent suddenly from out of nowhere.

Nonhuman beings are people too. A wise philosopher once said ""The soul is the same in all living creatures, although the body is different."
Our nonhuman brothers and sisters are so much more spiritually and emotionally developed, and wise, than most humans are ever willing to admit to themselves let alone see. We're all souls on the same exact journey together, on our way back "Home".

It's a beautiful thing when a human can break past their ignorance, emotional blockages, and limiting belief systems of other species caused by speciesist social conditioning, and truly experience the love of another fellow soul regardless of species...reaching past that veil of perceived separateness, and beyond even that veil we call "death". If you can ever manage to open yourself to that level and experience that, never again will you question such things. You will know the answer ;)

[Tobi]

Wolfheart...so very beautifully said.

[Tiss]

Just yesterday a sweet guy whom I love so much and whom was trying to help, lost his battle against distemper.

Poor sweet baby, all his life was so unfortunate. We believe that he was born in the street, then a family gave him shelter at their home for a while but then they decided to move him to the house's porch just by the street. He was on his own, no food, no affection, nothing... He became "the dog of the neighborhood." About a year ago a woman hit him with her car and she did not even stop to help him. He disappear for three days and he came back with a forever limp. He had to heal by himself.

Even though that family has the poor guy outside at their door, they never noticed that he was very ill, with a painful hernia, scabies and much more.

We knew it and we made an intervention to save him from the miserable destiny and we arranged everything to do the required vet practices including a surgery. After that he stayed at a foster home where he was really loved and pampered for....only 2 months.

We were enthusiastic preparing him for responsible adoption when the distemper came. He had no opportunity. Only 2 months of happiness in seven years of pain and misfortune. He was a beautiful soul, always grateful for the very little the world was giving him. I learned a lot from him: gratitude, kindness, loyalty, love without conditions. He went to the other side in peace and love with one of my hands holding his paw and the other softly caressing his forehead.

But I still don't understand, and this is my question here, why some animals enjoy beautiful lives and others suffer a so painful one. How can we explain it? I understand it in humans but it is not clear for me with innocent animals. Please help me understand.

Here is my poor little guy. I will thank you so much for a loving thought or a prayer for him.

TISS

[Tobi]

Oh Tiss.....My heart goes out to you for sure. You were there for him to offer him love and comfort at the end of his life here, and that means so much.
He is such a beautiful Soul. I can see it in his face. He might be quite advanced spiritually.

Do send him your love, as often as you like. He will receive it.
Don't worry, our tears don't hurt them. They don't mind. They understand! So long as there is true love.

They are Spirits too. And when they pass over, yes....they are dogs...but they are primarily Spirits.
It sounds like a sweeping statement when a lovely Soul has to undergo sorrows, loneliness, illness, abandonment...but like Souls who incarnate in the Human species, they also choose their life, in order to learn and also share Soul-connections with others.

This beautiful and dear Soul is now on his spirit-journey to a home in which he will feel very happy, and will receive love, support, joys and kindness, as he reviews his life, and learns even more.

Bless him, he is so lovely.

[Jenny Crow]

Oh Tiss, you made me cry - Goddess bless you and your beautiful little fur-baby. It was so good of you to try to help him. Wherever he is may he be warm, loved and protected. Like, you, I've wondered why some poor little animal souls suffer such burdens and pain and others get love all their lives; maybe Tobi is right.

Tobi I was just getting the flow of tears stopped and I read your post, so beautifully said. Goddess bless you.