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Old 24-04-2019, 07:15 AM
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You can say that about almost anything health related, so not sure why you would emphasize it now..



I emphasise it because the claim that whole grains make you live longer or prevent cancer (or live shorter and create disease) or anything like that is misleading.



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Anyways. Grains provide people with carbs, protein, vitamins, iron, magnesium and other nutrients so they are good and they are not just good for those that live healthy in general..
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Old 29-04-2019, 09:38 AM
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But nobody ever said those things, so this is pointless..

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Old 29-04-2019, 10:35 AM
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But nobody ever said those things, so this is pointless..





Sure, they did. Lucky 1 said grains are bad and there is research showing it, and Saph has said numerous times that grains and all other starchy carbs are somehow toxic. You countered saying grains are beneficial. I replied saying research shows people consuming whole grains have increased life expectancy and those consuming refined grains get sick and die, but instead of this indicating that grains of any type are causing these effects, it's more likely that people who choose whole grains choose healthier lifestyles in general than those who choose refined grains.


(BTW, there is no scientific evidence for "Mucoid Plaque" in animals or in humans, and anyone who claims it is healthy to remove mucus from the GI tract should not be heeded.)
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Old 29-04-2019, 10:43 AM
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Sure, they did. Lucky 1 said grains are bad and there is research showing it, and Saph has said numerous times that grains and all other starchy carbs are somehow toxic. You countered saying grains are beneficial. I replied saying research shows people consuming whole grains have increased life expectancy and those consuming refined grains get sick and die, but instead of this indicating that grains of any type are causing these effects, it's more likely that people who choose whole grains choose healthier lifestyles in general than those who choose refined grains.


(BTW, there is no scientific evidence for "Mucoid Plaque" in animals or in humans, and anyone who claims it is healthy to remove mucus from the GI tract should not be heeded.)

Yes I said whole grains are beneficial and nutritional. I, nor anyone else, ever claimed that grains makes one live longer or that grains prevent cancer. You're stepping too far with those points, probably remembering something someone said on another website, but not here. Just drop it..
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Old 01-05-2019, 03:40 AM
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Yes I said whole grains are beneficial and nutritional. I, nor anyone else, ever claimed that grains makes one live longer or that grains prevent cancer. You're stepping too far with those points, probably remembering something someone said on another website, but not here. Just drop it..




If you google 'diet whole grains' you'll see all sorts of claims, but be they cancer causing or preventing, or longevity enhancing or diminishing was not the point I was making. That was only an aside. Since seemingly the point I was making has been missed, and the asides are taken as the point, I'll just repeat that grains (or any other particular food) are not in themselves beneficial or harmful; it's just that people who choose whole grains are also more likely to chose a range of healthy life-habits, and those who choose refined grain are more likely to choose less healthy life-habits. Hence, choosing whole grains is a more nutrient dense option than refined grains, so more nutritious and better for health, but affects on positive outcomes or negative outcomes are multifactorial.
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I wonder why it is so hard for others posting in this thread to talk or learn about fruit lol.. that is what the point of it is.. but beside that the point is also what makes other foods less ideal than fruit, so either topic is fine but it would be nice and refreshing if people posting here were at least a little interested in understanding, exploring, and discussing the truth about fruit




So I started reading Dr Morse's book with the online version. very interesting information though so far it's mainly just going into detail about what the body consists of and how it functions. basic & complex science and established facts I think most anyone can concur with. I guess he is laying the groundwork to build up to explaining how the foods effect the body once the topography is understood. (anyone who disagrees with him I'd appreciate them reading information from his book to see if there's really basis to disagree with him..)

but in the beginning of the book he did talk about some of his spiritual experiences when he was younger including how he ate only oranges for 6 months.. he had to stop because he grew too conscious and connected to outer (or inner) worlds, which is also why he doesn't recommend most people adopt a total fruitarian lifestyle indefinitely.. but he did learn it is the best way to heal the quickest so devotes his life to teaching people for the purpose of overcoming disease and discomfort. anyway, he also says that when he ate only oranges for months when he cut himself or something he would not really bleed, it wouldn't hurt, and it'd heal in a day or two. So granting he has no reason to lie, the reality of a person subsisting on solely oranges for half a year and becoming stronger than ever really makes you question the necessity and reality of the current structures of nutrition and whatnot.. for the record his recommended protocols of diet aren't just oranges for people, but he does suggest the sickest people to eat only fruit til they start getting better.. berries, grapes and melons as top picks.
There are reasons why most other foods besides fruits are not recommended for those that want to heal, and that is why I made this thread, to dig deeper into that and explore the subject but for some strange reason many humans, who are designed to be frugivores, have trouble even entertaining or investigating the idea that fruit is the food meant for our main consumption, and that perhaps others which we're required to mutilate and destroy before eating are not so great for us afterall...
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