Time doesn't exist, only you.

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Capacity

Why is that?

Ah, because they don't. Wasn't me that created reality that way (I hope). They don't require a carrot either but I can't explain why not.

From a timeless perspective, its pretty obvious that its all just there. The position of the sun is twisted around you (relatively speaking) not unlike a rope twists around. The rope is just that way, doesn't require time for it to be twisted.

As the original post suggests, it takes time or something like it to watch the twisting by following along it in a sequence. This 'following' is just something you made up however, not part of the state of reality.

[BlueSky]

From that which is timeless arises time. Calling what arises illusion seems to be popular. I see differently.

[no1wakesup]

The moment we extended ourselves in the perceived space between subjectivity and objectivity the foundation of time was put into place. It was this perceived distance between this here and that over there began to shape a forwardness about us. Within the sense of moving and hence narrowing or expanding the space between the borders of here and there, a measuring quality developed called time. As our conditioning evolved and our attachments mounted, a growing arsenal of something ness grew into our experience. These experiences became a perpetual unfolding of events and like flapping through a deck of cards added momentum to a solid someone there going through a life. With new experience came a recording of such in memory and past began to grow behind us. In the development of language and the ability to place labels upon a multitude of objects and new experiences out there, a continuous confirmation of time became an absolute and unquestionable assumption. Only a concept between past and future grew out of this conditioning. As our memories developed and our expectations extended our own sense of biography began

Linear time does not exist outside of you as some independent quality. It is a modality we create from our own conditioning, so as to more importantly, extend our own sense of individuality and continuation. It is in the very posture of continuation that we have determined a sense of beginning and end.. Time is not just an aspect or quality of unconsciousness, it is the glue under the puzzle board of experience. So to even speak of it, within the conditioned duality of time and the timeless, is to negate and repel all understanding confirmed long ago in “time”. It is the growing history of me, filled with experience that is a reference point of who I become.

Time is first there as a result in a measurement of perception but then solidifies those measurements into absolutes laying the foundation from that duality for the conceptual world in and around us

The only time the expression of what is, as happening now, is ever anything other then what is happening now, is when that quality or space of experience is owned by a solid sense of me. Which is what the mind does so efficiently. Without this concept of time there would be no you as a separate someone in his or hers conceptual world. It takes away your past and future, your beginning and ending. Which is what the mind is attempting to avoid or extend at any cost. It is only this psychological death that comes to pass.The borders and fine lines that define the everyday experience would not be there and all form would fall away. What would be left however would not be some black hole of oblivion or annihilation but an essential reality or consciousness untouched as a clean always present canvas.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

The moment we extended ourselves in the perceived space between subjectivity and objectivity the foundation of time was put into place. It was this perceived distance between this here and that over there began to shape a forwardness about us. Within the sense of moving and hence narrowing or expanding the space between the borders of here and there, a measuring quality developed called time. As our conditioning evolved and our attachments mounted, a growing arsenal of something ness grew into our experience. These experiences became a perpetual unfolding of events and like flapping through a deck of cards added momentum to a solid someone there going through a life. With new experience came a recording of such in memory and past began to grow behind us. In the development of language and the ability to place labels upon a multitude of objects and new experiences out there, a continuous confirmation of time became an absolute and unquestionable assumption. Only a concept between past and future grew out of this conditioning. As our memories developed and our expectations extended our own sense of biography began

Linear time does not exist outside of you as some independent quality. It is a modality we create from our own conditioning, so as to more importantly, extend our own sense of individuality and continuation. It is in the very posture of continuation that we have determined a sense of beginning and end.. Time is not just an aspect or quality of unconsciousness, it is the glue under the puzzle board of experience. So to even speak of it, within the conditioned duality of time and the timeless, is to negate and repel all understanding confirmed long ago in “time”. It is the growing history of me, filled with experience that is a reference point of who I become.

Time is first there as a result in a measurement of perception but then solidifies those measurements into absolutes laying the foundation from that duality for the conceptual world in and around us

The only time the expression of what is, as happening now, is ever anything other then what is happening now, is when that quality or space of experience is owned by a solid sense of me. Which is what the mind does so efficiently. Without this concept of time there would be no you as a separate someone in his or hers conceptual world. It takes away your past and future, your beginning and ending. Which is what the mind is attempting to avoid or extend at any cost. It is only this psychological death that comes to pass.The borders and fine lines that define the everyday experience would not be there and all form would fall away. What would be left however would not be some black hole of oblivion or annihilation but an essential reality or consciousness untouched as a clean always present canvas.

That would make a good paper on what someone believes about time and such and unfortunately it perpetuates the human condition to seek for it.

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Capacity

That would make a good paper on what someone believes about time and such and unfortunately it perpetuates the human condition to seek for it.

Yes...exactly.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Yes...exactly.

Not sure if you understood by that remark or if you are trying to be cute but irregardless do you operate outside the conditioning you claim creates a sense of time? If not then why talk about it as if it can be reached and if so do you look at a tree and not see what you have come to understand about trees? How about when you look at your child? No past references?

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Capacity

Not sure if you understood by that remark or if you are trying to be cute but irregardless do you operate outside the conditioning you claim creates a sense of time? If not then why talk about it as if it can be reached and if so do you look at a tree and not see what you have come to understand about trees? How about when you look at your child? No past references?

Of course there are past references...they simply no longer make up as a reference point of a conditioned self. And expectation is there when it is. The perspective shifted some time ago

What's interesting is you're need to confirm what is as the ground of being. Words can never do it. There is no one there to claim it which why you keep missing it. You will never find it as something.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Of course there are past references...they simply no longer make up as a reference point of a conditioned self. And expectation is there when it is. The perspective shifted some time ago

What's interesting is you're need to confirm what is as the ground of being. Words can never do it. There is no one there to claim it which why you keep missing it. You will never find it as something.

Your assessment of a need of mine to confirm what is as the ground of being is not applicable and just isn't so. The ground is wide open but back to the subject. If there are past references, what is their reference point?

[BlueSky]

"The perspective shifted some "time" ago"
Sorry but I got a kick out of that considering your beliefs about time.

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Capacity

"The perspective shifted some "time" ago"
Sorry but I got a kick out of that considering your beliefs about time.

Of course u do...just words of course. Next time I'll put surface time for you