Vajrayana student-teacher relationship

[bluebird21]

Hi Guys,

I have this past year entered into a powerful student-teacher relationship. It is extremely potent and I often feel completely naked and vulnerable before my teacher, who sees me with a cutting clarity and this is reflected back to me. The closeness and love is unlike anything I have experienced even with family. In fact, honestly, I have never experienced this level of intimacy and transparency in my life. Upon meeting we both recognized each other and he has told me we know each other from (at least) a past life.

He is a highly respected buddhist vajrayana teacher, the highest level teacher in his lineage of Buddhism. MANY of my concepts have been cut through by this relationship, it's unbelievable how much more free and open-minded I am.

I am entering retreat with him soon and am feeling, well, quite nervous!!! I have fallen completely in (unattached) love and feel INTENSE devotion.

I'm wondering if any of you are in vajrayana student-teacher relationships? And what your experience is?

Vajrayana is tantric Buddhism, in which there is much emphasis on the student-teacher relationship being intimate, sometimes even closer than family.

[Jeremy Bong]

I think you're learning the Tibetan Buddhism. They learn also spells and incantations I suppose, that means it can control other's thinking. That's the part you've to be careful. I suggest you can find out something about that in Google search.

[sky]

Originally Posted by bluebird21

Hi Guys,

I have this past year entered into a powerful student-teacher relationship. It is extremely potent and I often feel completely naked and vulnerable before my teacher, who sees me with a cutting clarity and this is reflected back to me. The closeness and love is unlike anything I have experienced even with family. In fact, honestly, I have never experienced this level of intimacy and transparency in my life. Upon meeting we both recognized each other and he has told me we know each other from (at least) a past life.

He is a highly respected buddhist vajrayana teacher, the highest level teacher in his lineage of Buddhism. MANY of my concepts have been cut through by this relationship, it's unbelievable how much more free and open-minded I am.

I am entering retreat with him soon and am feeling, well, quite nervous!!! I have fallen completely in (unattached) love and feel INTENSE devotion.

I'm wondering if any of you are in vajrayana student-teacher relationships? And what your experience is?

Vajrayana is tantric Buddhism, in which there is much emphasis on the student-teacher relationship being intimate, sometimes even closer than family.

Does your teacher have the same relationship with all his students ?

[Ground]

Originally Posted by bluebird21

Hi Guys,

I have this past year entered into a powerful student-teacher relationship. It is extremely potent and I often feel completely naked and vulnerable before my teacher, who sees me with a cutting clarity and this is reflected back to me. The closeness and love is unlike anything I have experienced even with family. In fact, honestly, I have never experienced this level of intimacy and transparency in my life. Upon meeting we both recognized each other and he has told me we know each other from (at least) a past life.

He is a highly respected buddhist vajrayana teacher, the highest level teacher in his lineage of Buddhism. MANY of my concepts have been cut through by this relationship, it's unbelievable how much more free and open-minded I am.

I am entering retreat with him soon and am feeling, well, quite nervous!!! I have fallen completely in (unattached) love and feel INTENSE devotion.

I'm wondering if any of you are in vajrayana student-teacher relationships? And what your experience is?

Vajrayana is tantric Buddhism, in which there is much emphasis on the student-teacher relationship being intimate, sometimes even closer than family.

Seem you're seeking emotional home rather than liberation. This kind of relationship actually isn't what buddhism is about.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Ground

Seem you're seeking emotional home rather than liberation. This kind of relationship actually isn't what buddhism is about.

Yes I agree, I would be veryyyyyyy careful.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Ground

Seem you're seeking emotional home rather than liberation. This kind of relationship actually isn't what buddhism is about.

That type of relationship is exactly what Buddhism is about.

http://www.viewonbuddhism.org/spirit...cher_guru.html

"To find a Buddha, all you have to do is see your nature. Your nature is the Buddha. And the Buddha is the person who's free: free of plans, free of cares. If you don't see your nature and run around all day looking somewhere else, you'll never find a Buddha. The truth is, there's nothing to find. But to reach such an understanding you need a teacher and you need to struggle to make yourself understand..."
Bodidharma

[Ground]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

That type of relationship is exactly what Buddhism is about.

Says the one who declared to not be a buddhist and who mixes a bit of buddhism with hindu religion.

[sky]

*Blessed One, addressing the Venerable Ânanda, said:

"I have taught the Dhamma, Ânanda, without making any distinction between exoteric and esoteric doctrine, for in respect of the truth, Ânanda, the Tathâgata has no such thing as the ‘closed fist’ of a teacher who hides some essential knowledge from the pupil.

"It may be, Ânanda, that in some of you the thought may arise, ‘The word of the Master is ended. We have no teacher any more.’ But it is not thus, Ânanda, that you should think.

"The Doctrine and the Discipline which I have set forth and laid down for you,let them, after I am gone, be your teacher. It may be, monks, that there may be doubts in the minds of some brethren as to the Buddha, or the Dhamma, or the Sangha, or the path (magga) or method (patipadâ). Inquire, monks, freely. Do not have to reproach yourselves afterwards with the thought: ‘Our teacher was face to face with us, and we could not bring ourselves to inquire of the Exalted One when we were face to face with him.’*

Mahaparinirvana Sutta.....

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

*Blessed One, addressing the Venerable Ânanda, said:

"I have taught the Dhamma, Ânanda, without making any distinction between exoteric and esoteric doctrine, for in respect of the truth, Ânanda, the Tathâgata has no such thing as the ‘closed fist’ of a teacher who hides some essential knowledge from the pupil.

"It may be, Ânanda, that in some of you the thought may arise, ‘The word of the Master is ended. We have no teacher any more.’ But it is not thus, Ânanda, that you should think.

"The Doctrine and the Discipline which I have set forth and laid down for you,let them, after I am gone, be your teacher. It may be, monks, that there may be doubts in the minds of some brethren as to the Buddha, or the Dhamma, or the Sangha, or the path (magga) or method (patipadâ). Inquire, monks, freely. Do not have to reproach yourselves afterwards with the thought: ‘Our teacher was face to face with us, and we could not bring ourselves to inquire of the Exalted One when we were face to face with him.’*

Mahaparinirvana Sutta.....

Since he is talking to monks and setup an entire monastery system. What you are implying that means on just common sense is wrong. If you look at the history of Buddhism in every tradition... it is teacher based..

Also do you have a link because I can't find your quote when searching for that sutra.

[sky]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Since he is talking to monks and setup an entire monastery system. What you are implying that means on just common sense is wrong. If you look at the history of Buddhism in every tradition... it is teacher based..

Also do you have a link because I can't find your quote when searching for that sutra.

The Blessed Ones Deadly Sickness..... Mahaparinirvana Sutta...
The Blessed One's Final Exhortation..... Mahaparinirvana Sutta....
Hope this helps.


Yes there are many traditions but only ONE teacher.....Buddha..
When Buddha walked the earth teachings were all oral so his Disciples were important, now we have written Suttas so one can learn alone if you choose, teachers/gurus are not as important as they were in Buddha's days.