Why would we ever want a golden age?!

[paragon]

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If the physical plane is some sort of spiritual test or school, why would we ever wish for a golden age? Wouldn't it defeat the entire purpose this realm was established for ?

Edit for clarity: Why do so many spiritual agendas focus on a literal "golden age" of material abundance, peace, equality etc. for all? Why would the eternal, infinite formless bother to incarnate into a lower vibrational plane such as ours that lacked the challenges of our current existence? What would we gain from incarnating into a physical plane that appeared to be superficially perfect?

[Sunshine111]

Hi Paragon,

1. I am not into any sort of wishful thinking or wishful thinking itself. Having said this, I really do not know who the "we" exactly represents.

2. Certain people can and do experience their own golden age right here, right now, at this age, time and planet earth without having to wait for any time or age in the future to come.

In other words, it is just a personal matter for each individual to experience irrelevant to time and age, and their golden age and years.

[paragon]

Originally Posted by Sunshine111

Hi Paragon,

1. I am not into any sort of wishful thinking or wishful thinking itself. Having said this, I really do not know who the "we" exactly represents.

2. Certain people can and do experience their own golden age right here, right now, at this age, time and planet earth without having to wait for any time or age in the future to come.

In other words, it is just a personal matter for each individual to experience irrelevant to time and age, and their golden age and years.

Thank you very much for your reply, Sunshine

So it appears your understanding is the same as mine. We all incarnated here to develop our own internal "golden age" in spite of all the challenges we see around us. So why do so many spiritual agendas focus on a literal "golden age" of material abundance, peace, equality etc. for all? Why would the eternal, infinite formless bother to incarnate into a lower vibrational plane such as ours that lacked the challenges of our current existence? What would we gain from incarnating into a physical plane that appeared to be superficially perfect?

[Sunshine111]

Originally Posted by paragon

Thank you very much for your reply, Sunshine

So it appears your understanding is the same as mine. We all incarnated here to develop our own internal "golden age" in spite of all the challenges we see around us. So why do so many spiritual agendas focus on a literal "golden age" of material abundance, peace, equality etc. for all? Why would the eternal, infinite formless bother to incarnate into a lower vibrational plane such as ours that lacked the challenges of our current existence? What would we gain from incarnating into a physical plane that appeared to be superficially perfect?

You are welcome.

Way too many questions for just 1 person, my person to answer when your own person does not answer the simple question who exactly is "we" , "we", "we", "we", "we".

Are you having several personalities or just 1 or are you just way too keen to be and fit in a group of people and maybe on your expense?. Something to reflect upon.

Yes, that's true what I believe in regards to a "golden age"; same understanding as yours, up to each individual to make it happen then, experience this.

Why do all mentioned by you, without being clarified who exactly these are, focus on something external such as "material abundance" -from here you can understand how "spiritual" they and extend of this "spirituality.

Your physical plane which is obviously "superficially perfect" is your reality, what you may have created, if not created, adopted and accepted as such and in which you obviously live in.

Just because your physical plane or realm is "superficially perfect" that, this goes for everyone else and that this is how it is for all.

Maybe you have been incarnated to learn, among others, this and this is one of the lessons to be learned by you in this life.

[paragon]

Originally Posted by Sunshine111

You are welcome.

Way too many questions for just 1 person, my person to answer when your own person does not answer the simple question who exactly is "we" , "we", "we", "we", "we".

Are you having several personalities or just 1 or are you just way too keen to be and fit in a group of people and maybe on your expense?. Something to reflect upon.

Yes, that's true what I believe in regards to a "golden age"; same understanding as yours, up to each individual to make it happen then, experience this.

Why do all mentioned by you, without being clarified who exactly these are, focus on something external such as "material abundance" -from here you can understand how "spiritual" they and extend of this "spirituality.

Your physical plane which is obviously "superficially perfect" is your reality, what you may have created, if not created, adopted and accepted as such and in which you obviously live in.

Just because your physical plane or realm is "superficially perfect" that, this goes for everyone else and that this is how it is for all.

Maybe you have been incarnated to learn, among others, this and this is one of the lessons to be learned by you in this life.

I'm sorry, I really appreciate your response - but I didn't understand any of this. Not one word. I appreciate the time you took to respond though. Thank you

[Sunshine111]

Originally Posted by paragon

I'm sorry, I really appreciate your response - but I didn't understand any of this. Not one word. I appreciate the time you took to respond though. Thank you

I am sure the rest who read your response, understood all words I said.

I appreciate the time you have taken to demean an degrade my person deliberately and intentionally so you will find yourself in a position of superiority over me (supposedly) and then, as your manipulator father or mother may have taught you to be doing saying to me, thank you and giving me a hug afterwards but, IT DOES NOT WORK WITH ME.

IT NEVER DID, IT NEVER WILL.

I don't accept hugs from male strangers and your person.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by paragon

So it appears your understanding is the same as mine. We all incarnated here to develop our own internal "golden age" in spite of all the challenges we see around us. So why do so many spiritual agendas focus on a literal "golden age" of material abundance, peace, equality etc. for all? Why would the eternal, infinite formless bother to incarnate into a lower vibrational plane such as ours that lacked the challenges of our current existence? What would we gain from incarnating into a physical plane that appeared to be superficially perfect?

What happens upon reaching the personal manifestation, does one return to a formless unaware state or void. What if one does reach such a golden age. It ends whether one does or doesn't reach it. There is no golden age in the void.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by paragon

Thank you very much for your reply, Sunshine

So it appears your understanding is the same as mine. We all incarnated here to develop our own internal "golden age" in spite of all the challenges we see around us. So why do so many spiritual agendas focus on a literal "golden age" of material abundance, peace, equality etc. for all? Why would the eternal, infinite formless bother to incarnate into a lower vibrational plane such as ours that lacked the challenges of our current existence? What would we gain from incarnating into a physical plane that appeared to be superficially perfect?

This is one of the biggest questions in spirituality..

Religions that believe in reincarnation usually postulate that the soul is divine and perfect. What then is it that incarnates and needs to 'learn'? They will say it's something else that collects the karma, and they will say that there never was a beginning of this cycle [and yet, it can end (!), apparently]. It does not make much sense.

However, I do agree on one thing: the soul must necessarily be divine and perfect, which means it is the temporary identity or identities that ''play the game'' of reincarnation, if we indeed assume that this occurs [most people have no past life memories...].

The idea of the world being some sort of school however is just silly, and does not align with what we know occurs in nature as a matter of fact. There's really no higher or lower, just species that have adapted to specific environments, and with one large comet all 'intelligent' life could be wiped out. It is that chaotic part of reality, the randomness, that religions/spirituality do not like to recognize and accept. To them, everything must have ''meaning'', ''creation'' and there is something ''planned''. Of course, these are just more human projections. Complexity is not the same as man-made order.

[JosephineB]

Originally Posted by Altair

This is one of the biggest questions in spirituality..

Religions that believe in reincarnation usually postulate that the soul is divine and perfect. What then is it that incarnates and needs to 'learn'? They will say it's something else that collects the karma, and they will say that there never was a beginning of this cycle [and yet, it can end (!), apparently]. It does not make much sense.

However, I do agree on one thing: the soul must necessarily be divine and perfect, which means it is the temporary identity or identities that ''play the game'' of reincarnation, if we indeed assume that this occurs [most people have no past life memories...].

The idea of the world being some sort of school however is just silly, and does not align with what we know occurs in nature as a matter of fact. There's really no higher or lower, just species that have adapted to specific environments, and with one large comet all 'intelligent' life could be wiped out. It is that chaotic part of reality, the randomness, that religions/spirituality do not like to recognize and accept. To them, everything must have ''meaning'', ''creation'' and there is something ''planned''. Of course, these are just more human projections. Complexity is not the same as man-made order.

The SF member Bartholomew described the soul not being born in perfection but in innocence. And the goal is not the acquisition of knowledge but wisdom. This seemed to make more sense to me. On the other hand we could be living in a matrix and being used. I've not made my mind up yet.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

The SF member Bartholomew described the soul not being born in perfection but in innocence. And the goal is not the acquisition of knowledge but wisdom. This seemed to make more sense to me. On the other hand we could be living in a matrix and being used. I've not made my mind up yet.

I am glad to see this mentioned. Very profound and I to think it is true as well. Innocence, learning, not knowing or understanding. We are here to learn to be more like soul, and soul to be more like body (us).