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Old 01-08-2018, 05:17 AM
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Yes, this is it - and here the presence of an Elder or ‘Guru’ comes in handy.
Even the most ‘hair raising’ shifts with the Elder present can be smooth as silk and as natural as if nothing is happening – just the normal order of things.

the guru i have experinced can help make the transition much smoother. i couldnt agree more. if nothing is happenng yes something can still be happening. i agree but i wouldn't look at that as how it is always. most often i experience that with a teacher if im feeling nothing its because not much is happening. the teachers with a lot of power you will feel without question in my experiences. others to whom i have known on my journey. its really not uncommmon in the least to feel some pains as the chakras especially where one is weak become stretched out.

the joke at an ashram i was once at is so and so slept through the whole thing and got it. and they did. the power can put someone to sleep as it works through the system. there is some adjusting as the process unfolds. from extreme bliss to extreme sleep. some people have a lot of shakti(feminine, current,bliss). some have a lot of shiva(masculine,silence). silence puts one to sleep. bliss brings one to joy. the student may have more bliss or more silence that they open up to. its really unique in ways from teacher to teacher and student to student.

as i have mentioned before i am predominantly feminine and silence comes to me from her. i can lean his way but she is more accessible and more to my liking. but one brings the other.

anyways im just adding my thoughts and experiences to the topic.
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continued response about bliss, silence and depth

the other day i leaned over to silence during meditation. leaning that way i found more of a loss of identity and a loss of time. nothing wrong with leaning that way. but i dont believe one is greater than another. one is more popular at one place. the other more popular in another place. this is where spirituality is left for politics from what i can gather. one as i believe you know is the opposite side of the same coin.



What might happen if you actually leaned towards the loss of ID and loss of time as your focus? Have you tried this?

The way your describing your experience it seems to me that you haven't integrated the depth of all sides in yourself as one source?

I may be assuming here so I apologize if I am.

If all sides are opened and your fully aware of yourself as all sides, I imagine that you wouldn't be focused on any one point, more that you would be moving aware and balanced through the whole stream. So nothing stands out as such as your experience but your very aware of everything you can experience through your changing nature as one.
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What might happen if you actually leaned towards the loss of ID and loss of time as your focus? Have you tried this?

The way your describing your experience it seems to me that you haven't integrated the depth of all sides in yourself as one source?

I may be assuming here so I apologize if I am.

If all sides are opened and your fully aware of yourself as all sides, I imagine that you wouldn't be focused on any one point, more that you would be moving aware and balanced through the whole stream. So nothing stands out as such as your experience but your very aware of everything you can experience through your changing nature as one.

i think you read over wherr i sshared mh experience that way. silence is very much a part of my experience. one brings the other.
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