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Old 27-03-2017, 12:10 PM
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Why does God not show him/her/itself?

Just imagine how the world would change if God would speak quite clearly to all of the 8 billion Earth inhabitants at the same time and say something like this: On the 2nd of May this year the sun will appear in the sky as always but it will be green. It will stay green for one complete turn of the planet so that everyone can see it and so know, following my words to you all, that I am.

This would be no skin off God's nose and would allow us to get on with things. And as we also know changing the colour of the sun for a day would be easy, requiring only a miracle, of which there are many in the Bible, so having a decisive miracle 2000 years later could only be positive.

This would solve quite a number of obvious problems and we wouldn't be requested 'to believe', something which has caused and still causes friction and has no point anyway. Instead of believing (in whatever) we'd KNOW.

Then we could live our lives accordingly without fighting among ourselves as to who is right. Let's get rid of all 'beliefs', all superstitions, all religious traditions, all church buildings, all professional preachers, all funny clothes, hats, bishops and popes and their ilk - in fact let's rid ourselves of the whole pot and be able to look God directly in the eye.

Why should he/she/it want it to be otherwise.?????
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Old 27-03-2017, 02:15 PM
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You raise a valid point, I wonder why God does not do it because he clearly can. In the Bible Joshua prayed and the sun stopped for hours until he finished his battle so it can clearly be done. But who is God? Do we all have the same concept of who and what he is? What about the atheists who don't believe in God, what will they make of such an announcement? There are those like Hindus who believe in many gods so God's announcement will be a message from just another god. The Israelites who had an experience of God talking to them so often defied him and followed foreign gods, so it is not a guarantee that hearing God making an announcement in the sky will make everybody believe in the same one God and throw away everything else.
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Old 13-05-2019, 03:41 AM
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You raise a valid point, I wonder why God does not do it because he clearly can. In the Bible Joshua prayed and the sun stopped for hours until he finished his battle so it can clearly be done. But who is God? Do we all have the same concept of who and what he is? What about the atheists who don't believe in God, what will they make of such an announcement? There are those like Hindus who believe in many gods so God's announcement will be a message from just another god. The Israelites who had an experience of God talking to them so often defied him and followed foreign gods, so it is not a guarantee that hearing God making an announcement in the sky will make everybody believe in the same one God and throw away everything else.

Even in Hinduism there is, "The God", as in the highest, or Most High.
Properly, Hinduism is pantheism, not paganism.
The lessor gods are expressions of the Most High.

I've offered the definition of "Gestalt" for your question.
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Old 27-03-2017, 02:17 PM
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The way I learned it in religion, he expects us to believe because some people tell you and then just say yes and amen to everything. Though lately I've started to have BIG issues with that.
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Old 27-03-2017, 08:35 PM
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Would you talk to gears in the machine you've built, just because they whir and rattle?

The best our lot can hope for is an idle comment now and again, like when we mutter to our car to start faster on cold mornings. That's the sort of thing I expect we're dealing with, just based on the extremely circumstantial evidence that is the human condition.
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Old 27-03-2017, 08:38 PM
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Would you talk to gears in the machine you've built, just because they whir and rattle?

The best our lot can hope for is an idle comment now and again, like when we mutter to our car to start faster on cold mornings. That's the sort of thing I expect we're dealing with, just based on the extremely circumstantial evidence that is the human condition.

No, no. Don't just dismiss this as a miserable comment from a miserable guy. Actually take a step back from your cosmic safe-space wherein the human race is the be all, end all spiritual answer to why anything exists.

Just imagine if our role is to spin in our little slots, and that the end product isn't something directly related to our motions. Compare that to the problems people have with the big questions, and their tendency not to lead to anything meaningful when applied to the context of human worth and feeling.
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I believe no matter what form or belief each of us adopts God speaks through us all. As each of us is the whole Universe - is God.
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Old 21-04-2019, 09:24 PM
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I believe no matter what form or belief each of us adopts God speaks through us all. As each of us is the whole Universe - is God.

In that case, God is clearly evil and insane in the form of Israel Keyes and Jeffery Dahmer.
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Old 21-04-2019, 10:08 PM
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In that case, God is clearly evil and insane in the form of Israel Keyes and Jeffery Dahmer.

To answer your question, yes, God is evil as well as good - where those that commit evil have no idea who they are
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Old 22-04-2019, 06:38 AM
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To answer your question, yes, God is evil as well as good - where those that commit evil have no idea who they are

Israel Keyes was a natural born killer who hated religion (especially Mormons). He enjoyed killing a cat when he was a young teenager, which he did in front of others, and he enjoyed their horror and fear. For someone so sick and evil, there were so many things he took pure joy in doing. He would commit his insane crimes and then entertain himself by following the news, completely delighting in the fact that law enforcement were clueless.

So, why did God link me to the heinous nightmare that is Israel Keyes? Just to torture me, obviously. And I was quite tortured over that case. That demon's last victim was murdered on my birthday. He did extra terrible evil things to her. I watched all of the FBI interview videos (not recommended) and it was like sitting in the room with him. I analyzed everything and studied him very closely, producing a whole bunch of information in the process, all of which went to waste. Where is God? Why such waste and futility? Meaninglessness.

The FBI asked for the public's help to identify victims. I found someone. I built a case. I submitted my report. Nothing, not a word. The woman I found had been reported missing and after a time was declared dead because it was believed that she had succumbed to sudden illness-related death or killed herself. Nobody knew that a heinous, prolific serial killer lived in the same city as her. He wasn't discovered until almost four years after Kathleen disappeared. She was a Mormon and had received a disturbing post on her Mormon blog not too many days before she disappeared. I collected so much information and evidence but, nothing. Oh, I KNOW he cased her and he got her and he killed her. Too much evidence. All the pieces fit.

Why does God not show him/her/itself?

I have a better question.

Why does the FBI not do their @*%!?# jobs? And God is the higher authority who leaves ME sitting in endless forever wait for the results of the work I did on that case FOR JUSTICE.

Keyes kept his mouth shut. He wanted to take his victim's identities with him to the grave (he killed himself by the way). Do you have any idea the sort of defeat it would be for one of his victim's identities to be SNATCHED AWAY FROM HIM? He's dead in the flesh but that doesn't mean I can't kick his *** because yes I can.

If only the stupid FBI and this massively annoying God would both do THEIR fricken jobs.

I want his computer. The FBI has possession of his computer. I want the computer. I know for a fact I can find things the FBI can't.

But, NOPE! I get nothing and JUSTICE gets nothing and the FBI gets paid for DOING nothing while God takes all the blame, guilt and shame.

Right, right: WHY does GOD not SHOW itself?

Too embarrassed and ashamed and guilty? Too confused? Too far away? Not enough incentive? Nobody scheduled a reception ceremony?

I found 3 other people who were very highly likely to have been killed by Israel Keyes but the FBI is completely useless. They did not respond to any of the information I sent them.

I always look at Israel Keyes as a sign: the keys to israel.

Sorta like, the key to the bottomless pit. Or the key to life. Or the key to death.

That's nice. I just want the key to the FBI so a bunch of JUSTICE can be made.

Kathleen was a very lovely person. Meet her on her blog, just search her name: Sheila Kathleen McBroom.
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