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17-11-2011, 07:59 PM
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Ah Sungirl, chicken and egg ! Sun comes back because of ritual or do the ritual to make sure  . Just like garlic and vampires. Carry garlic and you will never be bothered by vampires. Proof positive that vampires exist because garlic scares them away.
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18-11-2011, 08:48 PM
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hmmmm...
I think if say, an eclipse happened I would be thinking that the gods must be miffed, so I start praying in whatever way I normally pray to try and appease the gods... when the sun comes back I think it worked... so I do it again whenever else I think the gods are miffed.... and it grows from there.....
When you are afraid that the sun doesn't come back you tend not to see what happens if you don't do the thing you have been doing that made it come back before....
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20-11-2011, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Time
... This was aroun 12000 - 10 000 years ago, the rest of the glaciers melted, and the flood max was around 6000 years ago,...
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The period of time when the last glacial maximum began to recede was about 13,500 years ago and the earth was flourishing with life by 12,000 BC years ago. Then the flood happened about 6,000 years ago or 3,000 BC. The 10,000 years from around 13,000 BC to 3,000 BC are the 10 centuries. They would need to be calculated in moon cycles to achieve the exact dates for the actual centuries.
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20-11-2011, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by norseman
This places Adam, "progenitor of man", at 7000BC.
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the 7,000 BC is an old concept, most people now believe it was about 13,000 BC.
mj
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light is as a pillar on which is a lamp -- the lamp is in a glass, the glass is as it were a brightly shinning star -- lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof gives light, though fire touch it not -- light upon light: The Light:35
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20-11-2011, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sungirl
Paganism doesn't have a start date. I find it hard to believe that one day no-one was spiritual, and the next they were "pagan", these things evolve over time.
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Paganism was around long before the word is known as it is today. The original prophecy that God gave the world is written as the Zodiac and the original 48 constellations. The original star watchers were Islamic because they understood what the original prophecy said. And if people knew what the Zodiac actually said...they would have Islam comfirmed in their heart. Seek out its wisdom for there are clear signs from the east horizon to the west horizon. The sign of Jesus and Mary have lofty places, they are the signs of Aries and Virgo.
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light is as a pillar on which is a lamp -- the lamp is in a glass, the glass is as it were a brightly shinning star -- lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof gives light, though fire touch it not -- light upon light: The Light:35
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20-11-2011, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
the 7,000 BC is an old concept, most people now believe it was about 13,000 BC.
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There are fossil human remains in Britain dated about 24000 BC. My point with Slave of Allaah was that the bible and Quran cannot be relied on for chronological accuracy or even factual accuracy.
But the Flood has been determined with a fair degree of accuracy as the date that the North Sea plain flooded - around 6000 BC.
"original star watchers were Islamic" - not even close. Look to the neolithic/mesolithic monumental structures in Europe and Egypt.
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20-11-2011, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by norseman
There are fossil human remains in Britain dated about 24000 BC. My point with Slave of Allaah was that the bible and Quran cannot be relied on for chronological accuracy or even factual accuracy.
But the Flood has been determined with a fair degree of accuracy as the date that the North Sea plain flooded - around 6000 BC.
"original star watchers were Islamic" - not even close. Look to the neolithic/mesolithic monumental structures in Europe and Egypt.
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Islam started with Adam, who is older than that?
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light is as a pillar on which is a lamp -- the lamp is in a glass, the glass is as it were a brightly shinning star -- lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof gives light, though fire touch it not -- light upon light: The Light:35
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21-11-2011, 08:21 AM
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In your own words, you place Adam at 13000 BC. I pointed out that there were fossil human remains in Britain dated 24000 BC. So, to your question, who is older than Adam ? - Seems like most of the early population of Europe at least.
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21-11-2011, 01:17 PM
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I think we are suffering from the problem that some in this discussion believe in evolution and others believe in somethink like creationism. I am not saying either is right or wrong at this point, but that appears to be a stumbling block here.
While this fundamental difference is present this discussion can never end. Some believe that Adam was the start of the human race, which would mean that paganism came after Adam (as there was no before in human history). Others believe that man evolved from apes, in which case paganism evolved with them, and Islam came afterwards.
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21-11-2011, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sungirl
...While this fundamental difference is present this discussion can never end...
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concur 
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light is as a pillar on which is a lamp -- the lamp is in a glass, the glass is as it were a brightly shinning star -- lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof gives light, though fire touch it not -- light upon light: The Light:35
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