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Old 25-05-2016, 09:30 PM
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Hi. People are afraid of Islam.Im not afraid of Islam myself , but i am becoming concerned. I have some friends who are growing intensely militant about islam.I am a believer in the goodness of mankind.However the preaching s of the imams makes it clear that if they were in the position of authority over billions of humans they would kill them all if they would not convert to islam.How should i react to this.Please explain all the hate and violence we see towards the non believers. Thanking you.
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Old 25-05-2016, 10:28 PM
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You need to look at whys and wherefores of the founding of Islam, and read its holy book. Look at 22:19-22 and remember that those who do not follow certain of these instructions can be accused of apostasy. It would be quite inappropriate to give my own interpretation of its history here but reading around commentary rather than pure Islamic sites will inform your opinion.

Islam has some very good, strong points. It also has problems for non-Islamists. Like all religions it has its moderate followers and its extremists.

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Old 25-05-2016, 11:02 PM
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Just to give my answer to this question.

As far as I have understood, In the round, Within all paths that I have encountered there would seem to be some element of fundamentalism and extremism...That is to say ..all paths and all religions.(Not to mention Political Paths) have demonstrated blinkered intolerance as far as I can see and very sadly , with all too often, through out history and in the present, this has resulted in very cruel and heartbreaking consequences.


Is islam nasty. No , just some parts of it are.
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Old 25-05-2016, 11:19 PM
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Islam has some very good, strong points. It also has problems for non-Islamists. Like all religions it has its moderate followers and its extremists.

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Well put.

I've actually been going to some Islamic mosques lately where I've met with Shaiks and Imams.

I'm not planning to convert, but I do feel very comfortable there.
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Old 26-05-2016, 12:27 AM
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Hi. People are afraid of Islam.Im not afraid of Islam myself , but i am becoming concerned. I have some friends who are growing intensely militant about islam.I am a believer in the goodness of mankind.However the preaching s of the imams makes it clear that if they were in the position of authority over billions of humans they would kill them all if they would not convert to islam.How should i react to this.Please explain all the hate and violence we see towards the non believers. Thanking you.

There is a strong anti-Muslim sentiment, and maybe there is also a strong anti-Western sentiment, but like all things, I try not to get swept away by the generalizations. One of my good friends is Muslim and a very nice man. I also respect that many Muslims have the same aims and goals of most people: peaceful lives, bread on the table and all. I do not "fear monger" because I think of these people - ordinary people just trying to make their way through life.

My initial contact with the religion was through Sufism, and I have long admired and respect their tradition and revelations.

I did Google the Quran last weeks and I think there are some phrases which can be latched on to to commit violence, so I think the caution is at the same time warranted.

Any religion can be corrupted per se by belief or harm, which is why language is quite an important tool or utility.

So I guess I would say there are very violent people in this world with beliefs/philosophies that can harm us all, but it's important I feel to look at people as individuals and see how they interpret/live their tradition/principles - rather than scapegoat or stereotype all 1 billion + Muslims.

At the same time, the kind of fear and hate of Muslims is just becoming a mirror and continuation of that same type of energy - so no-one wins in situations like this if you just become what one might despise.

I feel that this is the perspective to maintain. Many governments and corporations benefit from divisiveness, fear and hatred, so it's important to stand your own ground and principles, even if you feel the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

Just my 2c.
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Old 26-05-2016, 04:53 AM
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Hi. People are afraid of Islam.Im not afraid of Islam myself , but i am becoming concerned. I have some friends who are growing intensely militant about islam.I am a believer in the goodness of mankind.However the preaching s of the imams makes it clear that if they were in the position of authority over billions of humans they would kill them all if they would not convert to islam.How should i react to this.Please explain all the hate and violence we see towards the non believers. Thanking you.

Hey declen,

Every religion can be easily influenced and affected by a strong spirit that is how I was told by God or Allah. Religion is like a big piece of delicious meat. It has so many believers if controlled or took over he would have a lot of supporters.

On the other hand when people died in wars, the Gods or aliens are waiting and sucking the spiritual energy for enriching their spirits. They have this agendas to control and provoking their "supporters" to produce an unconscious will or concept to fight to exterm and become extermist. That is evil influences and mind control to create wars in order to kill and produce human energy food (after human got killed in battle field)for the evils.

None of the people ever take notice, the mind control is so great that caused the world in turmoil. But that is the main reason war outburst here and there.

The second reason may be the nature and greediness of human. People always think that the chances to win in war is very promising at certain time but at behind is evil's arrangement for it.

So to avoid wars is to have a perfect peaceful relationship of either aliens and gods in the
spiritual realm. And impose rules for all gods and aliens to obey and will be enforced by good Gods.

The question is how and who can do that? I have done it for two years to cut off the evil influence so that human will use their wisdom to solve their problems and confusions.
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Old 26-05-2016, 07:10 AM
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I did Google the Quran last weeks and I think there are some phrases which can be latched on to to commit violence, so I think the caution is at the same time warranted.
This is why it's important to look at its history - why it was founded, by whom and what was his agenda.

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At the same time, the kind of fear and hate of Muslims is just becoming a mirror and continuation of that same type of energy - so no-one wins in situations like this if you just become what one might despise.
The problem is - if you read its holy book - that it is a sworn enemy of Christendom. There are instructions of what Muslims must do to/with non-Muslims. And its extremist followers carry them out. Fear is inevitable when you simply don't know whether you're going to arrive at a destination safely or not. Just a glance at world events tells you that. What faith, you must ask, is behind the need for vast security at airports? for instance.

Christianity was as "bad" before the Reformation. (I know probably more of the history than many here of Christian treatment of black slaves in the Antilles, and the stories are not at all nice. The Christian propaganda machine has been in overdrive over that.)

However, Christendom finally settled down and its various fights won its societies many freedoms - freedom of faith - you don't get executed for abandoning the faith;- of expression, equality, emancipation. It still has nasties - e.g. its treatment of homosexuality but it is essentially peaceful.

However, the situation is vastly more complex than just Islam arriving in "the west". It's cultural about which discussion here is prohibited, Perhaps I can get away with pointing to cultures inherited from Christendom seem to be being subverted by Islam. The you tube video "With Open Gates" tells its own story and may explain some of the fear. It's not without some justification. For all that most Muslims are just ordinary people, getting through life, working, looking after their families, etc.



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Old 26-05-2016, 06:54 PM
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Thanks all for your replies.I had been hoping that a Muslim might be able to throw some light on my question. I believe mostly people want to live and let live .However recently a friend has been sending me clips of Muslims calling for the deaths of unbelievers, the introduction of sharia law in the west and that the end goal of Islam in the course of time is for a Muslim only earth. There is no all encompassing answer. I think Islam is in need of reform and needs to come out of the 7th century.
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Old 27-05-2016, 06:41 AM
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Thanks all for your replies.I had been hoping that a Muslim might be able to throw some light on my question. I believe mostly people want to live and let live .However recently a friend has been sending me clips of Muslims calling for the deaths of unbelievers, the introduction of sharia law in the west and that the end goal of Islam in the course of time is for a Muslim only earth. There is no all encompassing answer. I think Islam is in need of reform and needs to come out of the 7th century.

To reform and be a Muslim only earth so has to cause the turmoil on earth first and to destroy almost 90% of non-Muslim. What about 90 to 1 combat in anyway or anyplace I think that is not a comfortable battle.

The idea isn't that welcomed for must people plus the atheists. I have a good idea: buy an island build your robots citizens and let them only know one religion no confusion and becoming an ideal one religion nation. This is only a theory but a more easy way to achieve.

Last time there was a concept to turn the earth a Communist earth. So the result no an expected one.....
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Old 04-07-2016, 05:35 AM
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I watched "why they hate us" on CNN, hosted by Fareed Zakaria. He stated that an estimated 80+% of Muslims believe that a person should be put to death if they leave Islam. Can anyone speak to this? Is this true? Can you site sources that say otherwise.
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