What are your thoughts on pedaphiles?

[SpiritualNovice]

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. What are your thoughts on pedophiles, their spirits, souls, consciouses, etc?

[ocean breeze]

They should avoid acting out their fantasies.

[Amilius777]

Unfortunately I believe the only answer to that is that's who they are.

Souls don't incarnate and unfortunately receive or develop an affliction accidently due to their environment or what happened to them when they were children.

These souls, have a mental disorder they carry from previous lifetimes. It is most likely a result of negative karma, something defective about their personality.

The thing is you have thousnads of years of human history where many souls engaged in egregious behavior because of how civilizations operated and allowed certain activities we'd today see as illegal. Being raised in these lifetimes where certain activities were the norm would sometimes be carried over into now.

Now not everyone who lived in ancient past would see this as normal. Many of us, most of us were good people in past lifetimes because we are on our own spiritual journey. Unfortunately along the way some souls carry habits towards murder, theft, sexual immorality etc.

When a soul has lived a depraved life, they usually are at a lower frequency on the other side. They are in "hell". But many souls get out of hell and go through a process of healing and readjustment and have their chakras religned and can pass into what some call Heaven or the summerland. Even though purified and sometimes their actions mitigated due to how they were "raised" "abused" or what have you they still have to reincarnate and overcome whatever negativie tendencies on their own. So when they do reincarnate they might be met with some things that could trigger these negative habits again but it's their freedom to either act out or not act out these awful fantasies.

There are pedophiles who claim to be celibate and know their brain activity is screwed up and try to seek help. They are souls trying to move out of this lower energy that is a part of them. Whereas some don't care and carry out their depravity. What's more awful is the BELIEF Systems and MIND-sets of these types of people because what led them to do these things or "try them out" in past lifetimes was their belief system they've carried over many times which is "I don't see what's wrong with doing this".

It is more complicated than what some people thing. It isn't like homosexuality where the soul had many lifetimes as a female and then comes back as a male and retains the likes and behaviors of the feminine thus making them into a homosexual male entity in their current life. Such thing as homosexuality is normal because it is the results of the soul adjusting to a new gender they haven't been in a very long time.

[Snow Goose]

There is no excuse for it, mental disorder or no mental disorder. I do not believe they should be given special privailages in jail, they should be with the regular inmates who would soon sort them out.

On a spiritual level I believe they are stealing the innocent life force of children.

I feel that women are also fueling the problem by obsessing with making their private area more child like, Hollywood waxing and designer vaginas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...dure-live.html. I was watching the program, was in someone else's house not normally my kind of show, they actually said at one point that a child like private area was how things should look down below, which is rubbish! Normalising pedophilia should not be accepted and encouraged on any level.

[Amilius777]

Who is normalizing it? if you are saying I am you have another thing coming because I was molested as a child and it has taken me years to cope and understand why someone like that would do that. Sadly the person who did it to me had it done to them.

All I was saying is that they have a really awful mental imbalance as so do sociopaths and serial killers. That doesn't mean they get a pass. Western culture is trying to make mental imbalance only seen as a passive- "it's not their fault" nonviolent problem. Yes there are mentally ill people whose mental illness doesn't harm others only themselves like schizophrenics. But there are people with more troubling mental imbalances like pedophiles who are doing evil egregious acts against children.

You are correct in your estimate. They are stealing the lifeforce from children. And as I said above many of them have had previous lifetimes where they always commit these acts. Not all of them but some are sociopaths. They would be a lower entity. Eventually if they don't change their ways in one of their lifetimes they can remain "stuck" or DAMNED at a lower level on the other Side. Which means "eternal hell" where Demonic and lower-levels beings and interdimensional creatures are pushed into by Angels and higher Spirits.

I just want to make it clear I have zero empathy for these people. But just like everyone else they are on a spiritual journey of their own and if they choose to change their ways is up to them .

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Snow Goose

There is no excuse for it, mental disorder or no mental disorder. I do not believe they should be given special privailages in jail, they should be with the regular inmates who would soon sort them out.

On a spiritual level I believe they are stealing the innocent life force of children.

I feel that women are also fueling the problem by obsessing with making their private area more child like, Hollywood waxing and designer vaginas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...dure-live.html. I was watching the program, was in someone else's house not normally my kind of show, they actually said at one point that a child like private area was how things should look down below, which is rubbish! Normalising pedophilia should not be accepted and encouraged on any level.

There is a buddhist practice wherein a person extends their circle of compassion to include the entire world. The entire world has murderers in it, rapists, child molestors, thieves, liars, manipulators. Do you think it's wrong for us to give compassion to all?

By not giving child molesters a safe space in prison you are basically saying it's OK for them to be murdered, beaten, and raped by other prisoners. thats what "sorting it out" means. What part of you thinks it's OK to do unto others what has been done unto them? it's the judgmental part, not the compassionate part. If we don't consciously sever the cycle then it just continues. A pedophile does what was done to them but to others. If we let prisoners do what was done to them to others we are simply letting things get worse and the cycle continue. Separation gives people a chance to break free. Condemning them keeps the cycle going. I mean there is still the chance that a few people are better off for being "sorted out" but we are trying to do the most good possible, right? and that comes from giving the most people the best chances to break free. Not by doing what we think is best and feel is right. We do right by others by giving them what they need, not what we want.

The things adult women do has very little to do with the realm of pedophilia. A pedophile is born when an innocent child is molested or raped by an older pedophile, usually. Sometimes it might be through a series of sexually obscene acts that the child witnesses and thinks are OK (deviant behavior that comes from observing adults around them). When it comes to the older pedophile they might be as young as 8, 9, 10 or as old as 70, 80, but they can still create another pedophile simply by doing what was done to them to others. Sometimes a child can break free from the pedophile identity if they have a nurturing and supportive environment to grow up in, but if a child is in a bad environment and is the victim of pedophilia the most likely outcome is they will grow to attack children or live with the desire to attack children.

Which by the way, would be considered to be a pedophile by some. Even if they never attacked another. If they have the thoughts and desires then they are one (by some standards).

[Snow Goose]

Originally Posted by shivatar

There is a buddhist practice wherein a person extends their circle of compassion to include the entire world. The entire world has murderers in it, rapists, child molestors, thieves, liars, manipulators. Do you think it's wrong for us to give compassion to all?

By not giving child molesters a safe space in prison you are basically saying it's OK for them to be murdered, beaten, and raped by other prisoners. thats what "sorting it out" means. What part of you thinks it's OK to do unto others what has been done unto them? it's the judgmental part, not the compassionate part. If we don't consciously sever the cycle then it just continues. A pedophile does what was done to them but to others. If we let prisoners do what was done to them to others we are simply letting things get worse and the cycle continue. Separation gives people a chance to break free. Condemning them keeps the cycle going. I mean there is still the chance that a few people are better off for being "sorted out" but we are trying to do the most good possible, right? and that comes from giving the most people the best chances to break free. Not by doing what we think is best and feel is right. We do right by others by giving them what they need, not what we want.

The things adult women do has very little to do with the realm of pedophilia. A pedophile is born when an innocent child is molested or raped by an older pedophile, usually. Sometimes it might be through a series of sexually obscene acts that the child witnesses and thinks are OK (deviant behavior that comes from observing adults around them). When it comes to the older pedophile they might be as young as 8, 9, 10 or as old as 70, 80, but they can still create another pedophile simply by doing what was done to them to others. Sometimes a child can break free from the pedophile identity if they have a nurturing and supportive environment to grow up in, but if a child is in a bad environment and is the victim of pedophilia the most likely outcome is they will grow to attack children or live with the desire to attack children.

Which by the way, would be considered to be a pedophile by some. Even if they never attacked another. If they have the thoughts and desires then they are one (by some standards).

I am not a Buddhist.

If we were living in a tribal community from long ago they would have been pushed from a cliff or thrown into peat bogs with their throats slit and I think that is the only cure.

My compassion lies with the victim. A victim of pedophilia should be the last person on earth who would want to do that to a child and repeat the cycle, if they repeat the cycle then they are as bad (if not worse than the original abuser).

I'm unsure what your paragraph about adult women is referring to? There are female pedophiles and they are just as guilty as the men. If you are referring to my comment about women fuelling the problem then in my eyes you are wrong, adults have a responsibility to protect children at all costs.

I'm assuming you have no children, maybe when you do you will feel differently about the subject.

Chrysalis gives a great example of how your idea of protecting pedophiles is not going to work.

There is a mass undercurent right to reduce the age of consent and we must do all we can to ensure this is never allowed to happen.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Snow Goose

I am not a Buddhist.

If we were living in a tribal community from long ago they would have been pushed from a cliff or thrown into peat bogs with their throats slit and I think that is the only cure.

My compassion lies with the victim. A victim of pedophilia should be the last person on earth who would want to do that to a child and repeat the cycle, if they repeat the cycle then they are as bad (if not worse than the original abuser).

I'm unsure what your paragraph about adult women is referring to? There are female pedophiles and they are just as guilty as the men. If you are referring to my comment about women fuelling the problem then in my eyes you are wrong, adults have a responsibility to protect children at all costs.

I'm assuming you have no children, maybe when you do you will feel differently about the subject.

Chrysalis gives a great example of how your idea of protecting pedophiles is not going to work.

There is a mass undercurrent right to reduce the age of consent and we must do all we can to ensure this is never allowed to happen.

I guess that could have sounded like I was saying you were. When I said us i meant us humans who are trying to live in the most conscious way which I think you are trying to do (with limited success lol).

I'm a psychology major and most of my knowledge comes from textbooks. It may seem counter-intuitive but that is how it is. people who were hurt end up hurting other people. The good apple can turn rotten under bad conditions. Yes the good apple turns rotten, but it is still redeemable. If we kill then our hands are bloody.

You can say whatever you want man, you said what you were thinking and I said what I've read in books. The main cause is the experience happening to someone and that person not getting the help they need. Its possible that shaving or not shaving has something to do with it, but maybe it is just a correlation not a causation.

My idea of protecting pedophiles? I guess it comes down to how we see people. I Don't see pedophilia as a death sentence or an inescapable crime, you apparently do, so you will always address them as pedophiles and not capable of any more. I would say something like "they are pedophiles now, so we should take precautionary measures against that, but we should also remember they have the ability to change just like us". I think that is doing right by all people, we protect our self and dont let compassion blind us, but we also don't bloody our hands in the process.

I would prefer exile to imprisonment, so technically what I said was a thought on your proposed hypothetical situation. I would rather not imprison them in the first place but if my position was to imprison them (which for now it is because I'm not in a position to change the penal system) then I would be in favor of separating them. Exile would be similar to letting them sort it out themselves but without imprisoning them first. As long as we don't put them in the worst conditions possible then peace is possible. I can live with that, it would take so much more work but it would be better than what we currently have.

I don't have children of my own but I have children. I want to protect them at all costs but not at the cost of controlling the lives of others. I would rather work harder to protect my children than try to eliminate the problem altogether and have to work less. Plus the problem may be impossible to eliminate, a fools crusade, but working harder to protect my children is possible right now.

We are also discussing hypothetical situations. lets remember that. If push came to shove maybe I would shove a knife in an attacker if I felt threatened enough. Actually I probably would. It's nice and easy to be this way when we don't have adrenaline pumping through us.

Reducing the age of consent isn't going to affect pedophilia... the age of consent may be lowered to like 16 right? Pedophiles are interested in pre-pubescent children, which is like 9 or 10 tops. I don't see how you connect the two.

[Snow Goose]

Originally Posted by shivatar

I'm a psychology major and most of my knowledge comes from textbooks.

Yip I would say that's you down to a tee..........

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by shivatar

There is a buddhist practice wherein a person extends their circle of compassion to include the entire world. The entire world has murderers in it, rapists, child molestors, thieves, liars, manipulators. Do you think it's wrong for us to give compassion to all?

Compassion is not one directional imo, it involves discernment, a deep underlying compassion (borne of knowledge of Truth, hence wisdom) and an opening of the true heart, but it doesn't mean that it is non-discriminatory in the face of the world's happenstances [imo].