Krishna !

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by blueheart

Yes, yes, I agree with you. God exists both objectively & in our minds like an idea. And Our idea of Him and He-himself are often two different things.

But I've never heard Gods acting like demons...That's strange. There's this saying "the more you know about God, the less you'll know about God...".

Peace.

Beautifully expressed.

The whole "Gods acting like Demons" illustrates the point that one cannot "know" God...The heart can know it and then even Bhairava looks like Bholenath.

Meanwhile, the Divine ones all say "sorry, but if I told you, I would have to kill you" and You're there going "bring it".

[blueheart]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Beautifully expressed.

The whole "Gods acting like Demons" illustrates the point that one cannot "know" God...The heart can know it and then even Bhairava looks like Bholenath.

Meanwhile, the Divine ones all say "sorry, but if I told you, I would have to kill you" and You're there going "bring it".

Please, don't bring it ! It is true that this knowledge brings death to the unprepared mind. But there had been and there are a few people who could synthesize the information properly, and after that... they won't need a physical body anymore. Buddha is that kind of person I think.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by blueheart

Please, don't bring it ! It is true that this knowledge brings death to the unprepared mind. But there had been and there are a few people who could synthesize the information properly, and after that... they won't need a physical body anymore. Buddha is that kind of person I think.

So, if Krishna Himself were to appear before you "in person" what question would you ask? I know I would not be able to compose myself enough to do so.

[blueheart]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

So, if Krishna Himself were to appear before you "in person" what question would you ask? I know I would not be able to compose myself enough to do so.

I have many questions, but for the longest time I'm in a position of suffering, I would ask Him, why is this happening to me & I will beg Him to make things right.

I sometimes feel that generaly human kind is not meant to suffer. "If there was no evil, we would not appreciate the good". Well, I disagree.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by blueheart

I have many questions, but for the longest time I'm in a position of suffering, I would ask Him, why is this happening to me & I will beg Him to make things right.

I sometimes feel that generaly human kind is not meant to suffer. "If there was no evil, we would not appreciate the good". Well, I disagree.

It is said that the reason why humans suffer is because they have forgotten their relationship with Krishna.

It hurts to see others suffer when we are enjoying conjugal bliss like a Gopi, but it is so intoxicating that everything else eventually fades into insignificance by direct comparison.

[blueheart]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

It is said that the reason why humans suffer is because they have forgotten their relationship with Krishna.

It hurts to see others suffer when we are enjoying conjugal bliss like a Gopi, but it is so intoxicating that everything else eventually fades into insignificance by direct comparison.

I agree, we suffer because we lost the connection. But why this happened ? There is a force, that distract us from what really matters...

The royal family in Britain have direct blood relation with some powerful jews, you have heard of one or two... When britain colonised India, they tried to spread English language, because our thinking patterns are defined by the language we use...English is not a healthy language by the way. Generally, if you think in Indian you will become far more wise and intelligent.

They also tried to delete and replace information in The Gita, the Vedas and other spiritual writings. They've put some thougt up stories to confuse people. The religious books that are in the stores nowdays do not have the original authentic information. And this is a fact.
Why Krishna let this happen ?

But let us not tolerate evil conspiracy theories!

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by blueheart

I agree, we suffer because we lost the connection. But why this happened ? There is a force, that distract us from what really matters...

The royal family in Britain have direct blood relation with some powerful jews, you have heard of one or two... When britain colonised India, they tried to spread English language, because our thinking patterns are defined by the language we use...English is not a healthy language by the way. Generally, if you think in Indian you will become far more wise and intelligent.

They also tried to delete and replace information in The Gita, the Vedas and other spiritual writings. They've put some thougt up stories to confuse people. The religious books that are in the stores nowdays do not have the original authentic information. And this is a fact.
Why Krishna let this happen ?

But let us not tolerate evil conspiracy theories!

Why did Krishna let it happen? To sort out the true seekers from the insincere ones.

The ones who love God SO much, they will learn Devanagari (Sanskrit) just so they can get a hold of and read the original, unedited Vedas. =)

Who are so deep into devotion, they will study Ramanuja and Madhavacharya...they will understand how things were during Satya Yuga...and now, we are in Kali Yuga..and this stuff cannot be understood by the "average Joe" without trying to either rationalise it or totally dumb it down...and for one who doesn't already see the truth, there are a lot of contradictions out there..

"Harer naam..Harer naam..Harer naam Eva kevalam...kalau nasty'eva.. nasty'eva.. nasty'eva gathir anyatha".

The only way to reach the Lord is by chanting the holy names. In Kali Yuga, this is the most recommended way.

Yeah, I live, think and breathe Sanatan Dharma.

[blueheart]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Why did Krishna let it happen? To sort out the true seekers from the insincere ones.

The ones who love God SO much, they will learn Devanagari (Sanskrit) just so they can get a hold of and read the original, unedited Vedas. =)

Who are so deep into devotion, they will study Ramanuja and Madhavacharya...they will understand how things were during Satya Yuga...and now, we are in Kali Yuga..and this stuff cannot be understood by the "average Joe" without trying to either rationalise it or totally dumb it down...and for one who doesn't already see the truth, there are a lot of contradictions out there..

"Harer naam..Harer naam..Harer naam Eva kevalam...kalau nasty'eva.. nasty'eva.. nasty'eva gathir anyatha".

The only way to reach the Lord is by chanting the holy names. In Kali Yuga, this is the most recommended way.

Yeah, I live, think and breathe Sanatan Dharma.

Did you call me "an average Joe" ? Blimey, I might be such.

Almost immediately after I was born I started practising "cartoon network". Nobody in my family and friends talked about God. Later on I actually believed that it is a lie. I even felt contempt for ppl who believed. I had to learn things the hard way.I believe, that in the educational systems, schools, in early ages, children should be informed about spirituality, not to be forced to believe in anything, but to be informed. Spirituality is more important that most subjects. What good is a high IQ if you have a bad heart ?! Because, ignorance very easily can lead to destructive behaviour.

Yeah, may be you are right that I'm unable to see the truth, guess there is a reason for that.Who do I blame ? - The ppl I talked about in my previous post. What can I do?, I can only pray to God to lead ppl in to right way and stop the evil deeds.

"Yeah, I live, think and breathe Sanatan Dharma" - in that case, God bless you!

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by blueheart

Did you call me "an average Joe" ? Blimey, I might be such.

Almost immediately after I was born I started practising "cartoon network". Nobody in my family and friends talked about God. Later on I actually believed that it is a lie. I even felt contempt for ppl who believed. I had to learn things the hard way.I believe, that in the educational systems, schools, in early ages, children should be informed about spirituality, not to be forced to believe in anything, but to be informed. Spirituality is more important that most subjects. What good is a high IQ if you have a bad heart ?! Because, ignorance very easily can lead to destructive behaviour.

Yeah, may be you are right that I'm unable to see the truth, guess there is a reason for that.Who do I blame ? - The ppl I talked about in my previous post. What can I do?, I can only pray to God to lead ppl in to right way and stop the evil deeds.

"Yeah, I live, think and breathe Sanatan Dharma" - in that case, God bless you!

Realising the nature of Divinity isn't as difficult as one is lead to believe, yet no amount of spiritual education can ever go there.

It is not a question of constructing a new reality, more than it is just totally deconstructing your old one.

There is no way to influence another when they are not ready...and when they are so, the truth will seek THEM out...but how to be ready?

To remain open to any and all possibility. To let go of the past with love, like an old friend you want to grow away from. To place your full faith and trust in the Lord, knowing that He has always "got your back". The focus has to move away from your own wants and needs.

Then just surrender to Krishna with all your heart...I mean, I would, if I still had one, but it's all the same, in the end..Sabka Malik EK.... God is One.

In the words of the Highlander clan Macleod.."In the end, there can be only one" but it doesn't matter by what name it goes by..

.. Vishnu. Krishna, Shiva...it's all the same... having said that, my heart aches for Lord Shiva..You know, that heart I sorta don't have anymore...

Aum Namah Shivaya

[blueheart]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Realising the nature of Divinity isn't as difficult as one is lead to believe, yet no amount of spiritual education can ever go there.

It is not a question of constructing a new reality, more than it is just totally deconstructing your old one.

There is no way to influence another when they are not ready...and when they are so, the truth will seek THEM out...but how to be ready?

To remain open to any and all possibility. To let go of the past with love, like an old friend you want to grow away from. To place your full faith and trust in the Lord, knowing that He has always "got your back". The focus has to move away from your own wants and needs.

Then just surrender to Krishna with all your heart...I mean, I would, if I still had one, but it's all the same, in the end..Sabka Malik EK.... God is One.

In the words of the Highlander clan Macleod.."In the end, there can be only one" but it doesn't matter by what name it goes by..

.. Vishnu. Krishna, Shiva...it's all the same... having said that, my heart aches for Lord Shiva..You know, that heart I sorta don't have anymore...

Aum Namah Shivaya

I both agree & disagree with you. Realising Divinity is both easy and hard. But if you form your personality in a non-spiritual environment it will be very difficult to change your perspectives later. And probably you wouldn't be very much opened to new possabilities...

If one's child parents go to work 10 hours a day, of course he will watch and enjoy pornography and very soon will assume that there's nothing wrong with that. If someone in shcool had explained to him the consequences of this practise he will think twice before doing it, you know. If they told him " hey mate, the main purpose of sexual act is giving life & when we practise it for personal pleasure is as if we screw with the life-giving force, it is a triumph of disrespect!".Do you agree?

Sure, they teach some basic psychology, which only gives sweet nothing, no use of this subject in school.

Such a person would start searching of God only if a terrible accident happen in their life.And we shouldn't search Him just for personal benefit, but out of love, and because He is important. Just sharing my thoughts, that's all.

Divinity, God...nothing is more important than that. Today is just one more day, in which I didn't have to use trigonometry...