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Old 16-11-2017, 04:20 PM
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I am thinking about this a lot lately.
I am thinking my choice in wording "meditation" as samatha and vipassana practises is confusing. The objective in my humble opinion, and what distinguishes the buddha's teachings from other religions is that all religions have some kind of doctrine of virtue.
Be kind, Love thy neighbour, help those in need etc.

Part of the buddha's teachings however focuses on the purification of the mind.
The Buddha(Gotama) gives us step by step instructions on how to achieve just that, where other religions give that power to the gods.
I.E be virtuous and ye shall be purified, whereas the Buddha instructs to pay close atttention to how the mind works and purify it yourself through understanding how the defilements come up and become..
(give rise to clinging)

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I am thinking about this a lot lately.
I am thinking my choice in wording "meditation" as samatha and vipassana practises is confusing. The objective in my humble opinion, and what distinguishes the buddha's teachings from other religions is that all religions have some kind of doctrine of virtue.
Be kind, Love thy neighbour, help those in need etc.

Part of the buddha's teachings however focuses on the purification of the mind.
The Buddha(Gotama) gives us step by step instructions on how to achieve just that, where other religions give that power to the gods.
I.E be virtuous and ye shall be purified, whereas the Buddha instructs to pay close atttention to how the mind works and purify it yourself through understanding how the defilements come up and become..
(give rise to clinging)

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Yes indeed, it's mainly to do with purification of the mind.

This issue of virtue isn't really a set of rules or commandments which religions set out - it really amounts to a fundamental sense of good will - a most primal wish for the happiness of everyone - and action thus motivated will tend to be kind and beneficial. Of course Buddhism is like other religions in the sense that there are rules called 'precepts' that are merely obeyed, but this basic adherence isn't to get a reward in heaven or gain favour from the Gods. It simply assists in enhancing ones mindfulness - which is like the 'way' of purification.

When we speak of purification we need be careful as people can begin to desire the imagined purity, and thereby become adverse toward their psychological defilements. But desire and aversion is in itself the essence of defilement, and it is precisely this that mindfulness addresses by 'just watching', seeing it just as it is, without doing anything about it. The difficulty, then, is not in what we must do, but in not doing anything - and people might underestimate the difficulty of remaining still regardless of their experience.

Many say it is effortless, but this means effortless in the sense of not trying to do anything, which leads us to the more arduous diligence of quiet observation, and fundamentally speaking, it is this quiet mindful equanimity that enables the process of purification.

Hence purification is the consequence rather than the aim of the practice. The aim is only to stablise the mind's equanimity so that the meditator can remain still during greater and greater extremes of their lived experiences, as the purification process will require increasing ability in mindful stability.
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My experience is effortless is such that you get to a place where even without having arisen, a thought or emotion is seen and dissipates. Of course, genuine Masters can live from a place of silence, and also be completely at ease in and amongst clamor. Buddhism is not dead Buddhism - it is alive and vibrant. Further, I reckon that mindfulness without inquiry (vipassana in Theravadan circles) leads one to a plateau - wisdom in the Buddhist sense is not attained. Ajahn Sumedo said that being nobody is still being somebody. Mindfulness is one part of Buddhist meditation but it goes far beyond that in both range and capability. I see now why inquiry is so important in most spiritual traditions.
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I'm not attempting to proffer the 'most advanced practice', because mindfulness alludes the awareness of any starting.

That is perfectly obvious, so it seems remedial. The seeker is of the thought that there is something more, and this raises the issue of desire. The attention turns to that desire, and we are aware of the desire. It can be seen to be unsettling, disquieting by its nature, a rather futile struggle. But since one is aware of that mental disharmony, they themselves are not in disharmony... and thus no longer propagate it... and as it's not perpetuated any further, it can't go on.
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The seeker is of the thought that there is something more, and this raises the issue of desire.

Not necessarily so. Many a seeker is of a thought that there is somewhere where they suffer less. The distinction may be trivial, but has a profound effect on the way towards something else..

That said, Whether fueled by a desire for MORE or a longing for LESS. Living a virtues life will not lessen the impact of pain and gain, praise and blame. It will not make one see that the three characteristics of each phenomenon is in itself empty, impermanent and when clung to only yields dhukka.

That is where meditation in the buddhist sense comes in I believe.

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Not necessarily so. Many a seeker is of a thought that there is somewhere where they suffer less. The distinction may be trivial, but has a profound effect on the way towards something else..

That said, Whether fueled by a desire for MORE or a longing for LESS. Living a virtues life will not lessen the impact of pain and gain, praise and blame. It will not make one see that the three characteristics of each phenomenon is in itself empty, impermanent and when clung to only yields dhukka.

That is where meditation in the buddhist sense comes in I believe.

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That right, people want to suffer less, not necessarily experience less pain.
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