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Old 31-12-2018, 05:32 PM
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Why isn't LOA working?

Okay, first of all I have to say I come from religiously abusive family, so I may have some skewed views on how this is supposed to work or then I got it right but all spiritual LOA talk is b***s***. Let's find it out.

Now, due to my background, I've tried to just focus on positive, like being friendly, nice, generous and so on for all and even if I'm feeling angry, I try looking past it rather than avenging it or such. Obviously we can't cut the world into black and white or deny people their personal goals, but I barely get what I give in return. I got bullied for being a "nice person" a lot also and didn't quite learn how to stand up for myself when I get swindled. The thing is I want to given back that goodness and tolerance I'm giving but more often than not people just take advantage of it and then disappear. Even if they said they'd pay back if I've helped them. That made me close off for years but I can't keep either avoiding everyone with mindset "the world owes me and I won't help unless I get back the good I've been giving!" or "Yes yes, let's be friends and help each other... oops, the other person wasn't genuinely friendly type". I can never get past the thought "why bad people happen to good people?" Isn't the universe/karma/whatever supposed to be a mirror - you get what you give?
Usually I see this intellectual superiority thing like lying/cheating/being shallow as pointless attempts to boost ones self-worth at expense of others... but then according to where I come from ego is a bad thing and leads only to bad things. Even being conscious about it, it's still hard to change and start being like... well, others, selfish and callously competitive? All I really wanted was some reliable and good people around me - why isn't it manifesting? 20 years of repeating same patterns is getting tiresome.
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Old 31-12-2018, 07:38 PM
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Why isn't LOA working?

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Originally Posted by Yhamne
Okay, first of all I have to say I come from religiously abusive family, so I may have some skewed views on how this is supposed to work or then I got it right but all spiritual LOA talk is b***s***. Let's find it out.

Now, due to my background, I've tried to just focus on positive, like being friendly, nice, generous and so on for all and even if I'm feeling angry, I try looking past it rather than avenging it or such. Obviously we can't cut the world into black and white or deny people their personal goals, but I barely get what I give in return. I got bullied for being a "nice person" a lot also and didn't quite learn how to stand up for myself when I get swindled. The thing is I want to given back that goodness and tolerance I'm giving but more often than not people just take advantage of it and then disappear. Even if they said they'd pay back if I've helped them. That made me close off for years but I can't keep either avoiding everyone with mindset "the world owes me and I won't help unless I get back the good I've been giving!" or "Yes yes, let's be friends and help each other... oops, the other person wasn't genuinely friendly type". I can never get past the thought "why bad people happen to good people?" Isn't the universe/karma/whatever supposed to be a mirror - you get what you give?
Usually I see this intellectual superiority thing like lying/cheating/being shallow as pointless attempts to boost ones self-worth at expense of others... but then according to where I come from ego is a bad thing and leads only to bad things. Even being conscious about it, it's still hard to change and start being like... well, others, selfish and callously competitive? All I really wanted was some reliable and good people around me - why isn't it manifesting? 20 years of repeating same patterns is getting tiresome.

Yhamne,

Welcome to the Spiritual Forums.

I've provided a few resources I've used to answer the very question you posed as your first post, here.
As to your assertion about mirrors, here's a case in point, explained in one of these references entitled "Manifesting a New Job":

Prayer answered !!! (that's me hugging the Universe while remembering the moment I accepted that offer letter in the sequence of events I just described to you) ! (That is the reaping!) BTW: Hugging the Universe results in the Universe hugging you back. Why is that ? Because the Universe is YOUR MIRROR, reflecting back to you what you have accepted as true for you....nothing more and nothing less. Everything YOU accept as true for you is what you are projecting FOR the Universe to reflect back as you as the "circumstance" you seek. Cursing the Universe results in the Universe reflecting it right back at you....as corroborating circumstance. Not from spite, but from "sight". What you see (within you) is what you get....back! It's a mirror, remember ? Do you see ?

Please understand, if you choose to read through them (and yes, the answers I found helped me), the first and most important point to understand in LOA, is:

....for you to tell yourself what that is! That's what makes all the difference.

Hope this, and the references, below, help you decide what you tell yourself for yourself, which may just be as simple as following your own heart.

Again, welcome.

Happi(er) New Year!

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Old 02-01-2019, 03:29 PM
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Yes, if you read everything from guthrio...apply everything ...wait a bit...
come back and tell us what has happened.

LOA can be compared to laying track for a train.

(Unless you are urgently and strongly and consistently wanting/needing something...then it's way faster.)
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:56 PM
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Isn't the universe/karma/whatever supposed to be a mirror - you get what you give?

Our external world is a mirror of our internal world. It reflects how we are back to ourselves.

Imagine a creative force flowing through us, rather like the light of a movie projector. That light shines through our minds and emotions and is coloured by the contents of the mind and the emotions, including all the limitations and distortions. This projects the movie of our life into the external objective world.

So if we find that our personal movie includes lots of people who take advantage of us then that is telling us something about ourselves and what we are projecting. You speak about giving out goodness and tolerance and then being disappointed when that is not returned. So are you genuinely good and tolerant, or is your goodness and tolerance just a means of trying to get something from other people? You try to give out this image of being nice and friendly and generous, but is there something else going on inside you? Is there anger, resentment, a sense of being a victim of bad people who use you? If so, then that is what will be reflected back by the mirror of the universe.

As always, change starts from within. We each have our own vibration which sounds forth and is echoed back to us. Change your vibration and then you might start attracting good and reliable people into your life.

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Old 09-01-2019, 09:15 PM
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Our external world is a mirror of our internal world. It reflects how we are back to ourselves.

Imagine a creative force flowing through us, rather like the light of a movie projector. That light shines through our minds and emotions and is coloured by the contents of the mind and the emotions, including all the limitations and distortions. This projects the movie of our life into the external objective world.

So if we find that our personal movie includes lots of people who take advantage of us then that is telling us something about ourselves and what we are projecting. You speak about giving out goodness and tolerance and then being disappointed when that is not returned. So are you genuinely good and tolerant, or is your goodness and tolerance just a means of trying to get something from other people? You try to give out this image of being nice and friendly and generous, but is there something else going on inside you? Is there anger, resentment, a sense of being a victim of bad people who use you? If so, then that is what will be reflected back by the mirror of the universe.

As always, change starts from within. We each have our own vibration which sounds forth and is echoed back to us. Change your vibration and then you might start attracting good and reliable people into your life.

Peace.

Thanks for this iamthat (as another reader) I had a conversation with you the other day about this - even if thoughts are less, it's still me with all my beliefs, attitudes etc.

how do you REALLY change? how do you first detect what you believe (esp if thoughts are less) and then how do you change?

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Old 10-01-2019, 06:43 AM
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You sound do confused. Have you heard the saying, "If you pray for patience, you will get more reasons to be patient." Does this idea help at all? You are always attracting what you prepare for.
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Old 10-01-2019, 05:48 PM
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how do you REALLY change? how do you first detect what you believe (esp if thoughts are less) and then how do you change?

How do we really change? A good question, and I have no simple answer. For me it has been a long process over many years, but perhaps I am a slow developer.

Everyday life teaches all of us many lessons, whatever our stage of development. But as we become conscious of the process then change seems to accelerate.

Some factors are:

Self-reflection and self-awareness. Sitting in meditation reveals much about our patterns and tendencies.

Self-acceptance. We are what we are. As we detach from identification with personality then we take ourselves less seriously. We can laugh at our particular foibles, we feel self-compassion for our mistakes.

Self-discipline. Some people think of discipline as a restriction, but self-discipline is a freedom.

Letting go. The more empty we become, the more we can flow with life. We have no need to go anywhere or do anything or become anyone.

Being present with whatever is. How many times do we resist reality and want things to be other than they are? This can only lead to suffering.

Forgiveness. Holding on to grievances serves no purpose. So forgive others and forgive ourselves, and in the end we see there is nothing to forgive.

There are plenty of tools out there we can use to help us. For example, the Work of Byron Katie to help us accept the reality of each moment, or Ho'oponopono to learn forgiveness. We just have to apply them.

We are on a journey from identification with personality to identification with Soul. There is a long period where our identification fluctuates between Soul and personality. So there are times when our path is clear, and then we find ourselves having to deal with things we thought we had left behind. The nature of personality is desire, which can never be permanently fulfilled. The nature of the Soul is service, and in service we find fulfilment.

And in the end, we go through all these changes and then discover that within ourselves which is changeless. Our true nature is Being, which is unchanging stillness and peace.

Others may have better answers to your question.

Peace.
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Old 11-01-2019, 05:58 AM
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Okay, first of all I have to say I come from religiously abusive family, so I may have some skewed views on how this is supposed to work or then I got it right but all spiritual LOA talk is b***s***. Let's find it out.

Now, due to my background, I've tried to just focus on positive, like being friendly, nice, generous and so on for all and even if I'm feeling angry, I try looking past it rather than avenging it or such.


That sounds like a good idea.



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Obviously we can't cut the world into black and white or deny people their personal goals, but I barely get what I give in return. I got bullied for being a "nice person" a lot also and didn't quite learn how to stand up for myself when I get swindled. The thing is I want to given back that goodness and tolerance I'm giving


That's expecting too much.



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but more often than not people just take advantage of it and then disappear.




In which case, good riddance.


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Even if they said they'd pay back if I've helped them. That made me close off for years but I can't keep either avoiding everyone with mindset "the world owes me and I won't help unless I get back the good I've been giving!" or "Yes yes, let's be friends and help each other... oops, the other person wasn't genuinely friendly type".


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I can never get past the thought "why bad people happen to good people?" Isn't the universe/karma/whatever supposed to be a mirror - you get what you give?


Kamma is based on intent, motive, and the motive of getting returns isn't good kamma.



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Usually I see this intellectual superiority thing like lying/cheating/being shallow as pointless attempts to boost ones self-worth at expense of others... but then according to where I come from ego is a bad thing and leads only to bad things. Even being conscious about it, it's still hard to change and start being like... well, others, selfish and callously competitive?


Yes. Society conditions people to be competitive, self centred and trivial, and it's not easy to not be like that when everyone else is.



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All I really wanted was some reliable and good people around me - why isn't it manifesting? 20 years of repeating same patterns is getting tiresome.




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Old 11-01-2019, 12:04 PM
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I've been giving this some thought recently after talking with a Marine Commando at a recent get-together.

For LoA to work one has to have the desired goal deeply entrenched in one's being. It's casting light on this potential that awakens the person to 'go get', to do whatever's necessary to achieve their aim.
You want to be a brain surgeon? If you truly have a brain surgeon within you then you develop a single-mindedness and determination that steers you on a, what? 15 year path to achieving it.

Wanting a better life is easier at the outset in as many people are aware they want a better life: security, appreciation, enough material stuff to survive with a desired degree of comfort. The problem starts in defining what that better life is about. It's usually more money, a fulfilling relationship, perhaps even a purpose, security, a nice house in a nice neighbourhood. Asking oneself why they want what they're visualising is a good start. Unfortunately people can delude themselves over what they really want, or they're unrealistic. But even if someone arrives at a good definition, have they the grit, determination and self-discipline to pursue it?

This is just my opinion but people here who claim "just ask the universe and it'll provide" are simply misguided. They want to hand the work over to god (the universe) rather than doing it themselves. [A gnostic is unlikely to go that route as the god is within so you do the work one way or another.] Then they wonder why results are sporadic.

If you are sure of what you want then be prepared to go do the work to get it. LoA might guide you but be alert to whether you're being guided along an appropriate path and if you think not, then contemplate it awhile.
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Old 11-01-2019, 04:55 PM
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This is just my opinion but people here who claim "just ask the universe and it'll provide" are simply misguided. They want to hand the work over to god (the universe) rather than doing it themselves. [A gnostic is unlikely to go that route as the god is within so you do the work one way or another.] Then they wonder why results are sporadic.

Obviously it depends on what we are asking for.

If we desire to be a brain surgeon then there is no alternative to going through the years of study and training.

If we desire the ideal house for us in the right location at the right price then using the LoA can open up possibilities, maybe through seeming coincidences, chance encounters, or just happening to be in the right place at the right time. This is not a case of handing the work over to the universe and doing nothing. We do what is necessary and trust in the desired outcome.

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