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Old 29-01-2018, 03:03 PM
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What does it mean "to exist"? What is existence?
i would define existence as the essential quality of something which is.
imaginary things can exist within the imagination; non-existent things can
only be postulated and never 'verified'.
your question was about "to exist", which i take to mean "to be"... this seems
to imply a recognition of existence; consciousness of the state of being.

as i understand things, existence is a given for any being... it is factual
and beyond argument; indisputable. the meaning of an existence is likely
left undefined by Source... that meaning is given to Source by a being
(i believe that we are 'self-defining', creator beings).
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Old 29-01-2018, 03:20 PM
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What does it mean "to exist"? What is existence?

Is existence absolute (as well)?
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Old 29-01-2018, 04:07 PM
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your question was about "to exist", which i take to mean "to be"... this seems to imply a recognition of existence; consciousness of the state of being.



Existence can apply to physical things which are recognized by consciousness. We can't argue a table exists and the body is much like the table is it not. We need to be inclusive of all states I think.
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Old 29-01-2018, 06:29 PM
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Existence can apply to physical things which are recognized by consciousness. We can't argue a table exists and the body is much like the table is it not. We need to be inclusive of all states I think.
i'm not sure that i'm following your train of thought... even though it's quite
succinct. maybe what i'd been driving towards was the idea of "I AM", which
a being can express truthfully and understand as being true. i can't logically
conceive of how someone might speak "I am not" and that it be perceived as
an honest statement. i can imagine that people might hold differing views on
the 'actualness' of a table, or some other object.
another approach: truth exists. non-truth does not exist... not truthfully.
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Old 29-01-2018, 07:11 PM
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... I can't conceive of how someone might speak "I am not" and that it be perceived as an honest statement. i can imagine that people might hold differing views on the 'actualness' of a table, or some other object.

Thank you for asking. The question was what is existence and immediately the ego thinks in terms of "I" somehow. What is I AM it is not the body imo. I've been thinking about reality for a while now. Existence I realize is everything not just "I". "I" am not exists to. I am here and I am elsewhere. Is creator the only real existence? Just where am I. This truth you mention is an absolute. Being here is not my absolute reality but being there is that absolute reality. We need to include everything even what is not "I" in talking about existence (reality), every aspect which I haven't heard yet. Our consciousness isn't the criteria of (for) reality, right. Do all things "I" and not "I" return to the same place or state. All forms of existence, "I" and not "I", are not an illusion but certainly temporary. Everyday objects do not exist in both places only "I" does, but not the body.

Who's consciousness I was asking. That's what I've been trying to get at. The thought made above is most powerful and I cannot image it either but knows (probably) it is not correct. This is what my gut tell me. "I" cannot imagine that is not "I". The table that is mentioned is easy for us to see. Is the table any different from any other physical thing. What happens to it or any other object? It is not real, it is energy. When you return to heaven won't the table revert to it's true form and go to heaven to, all things move from the physical to the spiritual. I'm saying all the different views held are us trying to escape they will not be if absolute has anything final to say. I want a democracy.... lol. I know people don't want an absolute and I don't either.
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Old 29-01-2018, 08:16 PM
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i'm gonna disagree with you on several points lemex. i don't believe that
ego is required to acknowledge existence; that could come 'simply' through
awareness [or is awareness what is existence?]. ego does enter into the
discussion however, since, by definition, it "is responsible for reality testing and
a sense of personal identity"... which goes to the heart of the OPs question.
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Old 29-01-2018, 11:22 PM
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]i don't believe that
ego is required to acknowledge existence; that could come 'simply' through
awareness [or is awareness what is existence?]. ego does enter into the
discussion however, since, by definition, it "is responsible for reality testing and
a sense of personal identity"... which goes to the heart of the OPs question.

Thanks H:O:R:A:C:E.
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Old 30-01-2018, 12:00 AM
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I have a weakness. Everything that I know,,,believe,,,perceive is filtered through my ego(whether I admit it or not). A filter might weed out untruths or unreality but is also has the property of obscuring and/or possibly 'weeding out' reality or truth. IMO absolute reality or absolute truth can only be reached in an egoless state(of course, "I" will no longer be able to attest to this). Now when the 7 billion people on this planet can all come to one conclusion about reality and truth it will serve as proof for the existence of such.....:)
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Old 30-01-2018, 12:47 AM
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i would define existence as the essential quality of something which is.
imaginary things can exist within the imagination; non-existent things can
only be postulated and never 'verified'.
your question was about "to exist", which i take to mean "to be"... this seems
to imply a recognition of existence; consciousness of the state of being.

as i understand things, existence is a given for any being... it is factual
and beyond argument; indisputable. the meaning of an existence is likely
left undefined by Source... that meaning is given to Source by a being
(i believe that we are 'self-defining', creator beings).

It seems that what all existing things have in common is that they have an identity: they are identical to themselves and different from what they are not. I can't imagine a thing that does not have an identity; it seems like it would be nothing.

But being identical to oneself and different from others means being logically consistent and therefore logically possible. So all existing things must be logically possible. But are there things that are logically possible and yet they don't exist? What would it even mean?
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Old 30-01-2018, 09:30 AM
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um, you're welcome blossomingtree.
blessings to you.
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