Kundalini & Chakras

[running]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Chakra's and such things are local mind maps. A great way of understanding this is that depending on the tradition the number and what those practitioners experience differs. Some traditions have 4, others 7, while others have 12. You have Taoist traditions that don't use chakras at all.

With your analogy, I would reverse it. It is the mind that projects you and everything that you perceive.

i was feeling chakras before i ever heard the word chakra. i would bet psychics notice their third eye long before they heard the word chakra.

traditions are religions. they do as told. not how it is. were talking about humans with puppet tendencys. there gonna call jesus the king of the universe. or 4 chakra, 12 chakra, and so on. there are many stupid people and lack of courage to move past being a puppet.

for me i noticed my hands heart, throat, and crown first. then my second, and root. then third eye. then noticing chakras beyond the crown. feet and so on.

as the old sang goes. "never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Chakra's and such things are local mind maps. A great way of understanding this is that depending on the tradition the number and what those practitioners experience differs. Some traditions have 4, others 7, while others have 12. You have Taoist traditions that don't use chakras at all.

With your analogy, I would reverse it. It is the mind that projects you and everything that you perceive.

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I don’t quite follow. Chakras being centres in our energy body corresponding to certain zones in the physical body ... what does tradition have to do with them? Theory may vary but the practical awakening or cognition is unmistakable as also broadly validated by experiences among many.

In theory too, tradition or practice may project different ‘truths’ beyond the basic chakras since the different ‘historians’ writing about the lesser known chakras may have felt differently or not awakened all of them.

Ultimately it is the actual first hand experience which counts. In fact, there are also out of form chakras which descend into our body, stabilising therein ... all by divine grace of course.

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[Unseeking Seeker]

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It seems running has already posted while I was composing my post on similar lines as what I wished to say

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[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by running

i was feeling chakras before i ever heard the word chakra. i would bet psychics notice their third eye long before they heard the word chakra.

traditions are religions. they do as told. not how it is. were talking about humans with puppet tendencys. there gonna call jesus the king of the universe. or 4 chakra, 12 chakra, and so on. there are many stupid people and lack of courage to move past being a puppet.

for me i noticed my hands heart, throat, and crown first. then my second, and root. then third eye. then noticing chakras beyond the crown. feet and so on.

as the old sang goes. "never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

I am sure, but that is how your mind mapped local issues and fears. At the ultimate level there are no such things. You feel what is being hit, the issues that are being worked on. If not, once open it just flows through.

Another way of looking at it is in some past life.. that is how you mapped it..

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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I don’t quite follow. Chakras being centres in our energy body corresponding to certain zones in the physical body ... what does tradition have to do with them? Theory may vary but the practical awakening or cognition is unmistakable as also broadly validated by experiences among many.

In theory too, tradition or practice may project different ‘truths’ beyond the basic chakras since the different ‘historians’ writing about the lesser known chakras may have felt differently or not awakened all of them.

Ultimately it is the actual first hand experience which counts. In fact, there are also out of form chakras which descend into our body, stabilising therein ... all by divine grace of course.

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Just having an energy body is dualistic.. there is no difference between your body, what you call the energy body and the universe. It is all the same.

You also bring up a good point, each tradition has different outcomes or realizations. You concepts and practices influence said realization. They are not all the same.

The realization of Advaita Vedanta is not the same as Kashmir Shaivism which is not the same as Buddhism.

I would disagree with any chakra that descends and stabilizes them.

[running]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

I am sure, but that is how your mind mapped local issues and fears. At the ultimate level there are no such things. You feel what is being hit, the issues that are being worked on. If not, once open it just flows through.

Another way of looking at it is in some past life.. that is how you mapped it..

anything is possible. lets examine it. is there an end? and somebody really reached it? if there is only being so open then that is theoretically possible. or more likely in my view is there is only more opening to more chakras to more expansion of them. thus endless.

people it seems become stuck at some point. then become to believe they found an end. that is my opinion.

when i was in an intuitive healing class. the teacher believed my crown was waaay to big. it wasn't imo. everyone else forgot there is more to open to. so i ignored what people thought and kept going. reguardless there was no making myself smaller anyways. as my soul wasn't going to buy it.

[running]

furthermore. chakras work like a heart in that it is effortless. how does a mind create what is beyond doing?

[running]

ok. now looking at it through my intuition. intuition says, "the further you go the subtler the energies get." in my giew its in that direction that bliss is found. in the contrast of where one is to where one is going. subtler to subtler. its not so much a thing as in things for the mind to get accustomed to. but an acclimation of the system to become able to handle subtler and subtler energies. and in so doing is a reward. bliss. that is the compass. which is why for me through intuitive feeling has taken me to where i was to where i am to where im going. subtler and subtler. follow the bliss......

edit add. im not suggesting i have the answers. its an interesting debate/discussion.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by running

anything is possible. lets examine it. is there an end? and somebody really reached it? if there is only being so open then that is theoretically possible. or more likely in my view is there is only more opening to more chakras to more expansion of them. thus endless.

people it seems become stuck at some point. then become to believe they found an end. that is my opinion.

when i was in an intuitive healing class. the teacher believed my crown was waaay to big. it wasn't imo. everyone else forgot there is more to open to. so i ignored what people thought and kept going. reguardless there was no making myself smaller anyways. as my soul wasn't going to buy it.

As long as one is manifested there is always more to let go of. It never ends.

I would agree many people get stuck at a lot of different points along the way.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by running

furthermore. chakras work like a heart in that it is effortless. how does a mind create what is beyond doing?

The same way the mind believes there is a person called running :)