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Old 08-03-2020, 12:32 PM
Uday_Advaita Uday_Advaita is offline
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WHO IS THE DOER

WHO IS THE DOER?

Recently I connected with my (Chemical Engineering) College friends through a WhatsApp group. It was very refreshing to catch up with guys after a gap of more than 45 years. This e-interaction was followed by personal meetings, informal get togethers.

Most of us are in their late sixties / early seventies, with children settled in India / abroad, some retired, others doing some business. Invariably we recounted our life journeys during our “spirited” discussions.

Someone said, I did not get a job, so I started on my own….
…. I set up my manufacturing unit… closed it and later I went for my PhD…
…. I set up my consultancy…. Changed my line from Chemicals to Pharma
…. I lost my job, so I did this
…. My factory got burnt …. I faced court cases.. went bankrupt, yet I survived and built my business again…
….. I retired after a successful corporate career and now doing what I like to do…

Everyone kept saying … I did this because… I did that because…. So on..

Just to summarize, I noticed that everyone of my friends went through ups and downs, twists and turns, highs and lows, totally unexpected changes, loss of spouse / divorce, life threatening illnesses, children issues, economic hardships and what not. Everyone did what was required to be done at that moment to tide over the situation and emerge towards a better tomorrow. I am not sure if my friends had many choices….

In my case, when I look back, I find that right from my choice of education, everything I did was by default. Went to chemical Engineering because the college did not specify a minimum age limit. Changed my line from Engineering to Management because, I had to get out of a hopeless job…. So on and so forth. All the choices supposedly made by me were dictated by the situation around me which really did not offer me any choices.

Though none of us is an extremely successful or famous celebrity, we all friends are moderately well to do individuals having done reasonably well in their careers. At this stage in life, I really wonder if we made our life for where we are or we were compelled to do whatever was required at that moment… and here we are!

It is said that 2% of the people in this world pursue their hobby as their career and are extremely successful because they seem to like what they do. I would be happy to know if they really had many choices while choosing the course of their life.

In my life experience, if I were to ask – Am I the Doer? The answer would be a resounding – NO. Life just happened through this Mind Body Apparatus.

Who then is the real Doer???

Namaskar
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:39 PM
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Who is the real doer?
That which works through you but not as you.
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Old 08-03-2020, 03:16 PM
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What are you now? Who is wondering about the 2%? Why is it interested?
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Old 08-03-2020, 03:30 PM
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Who is the real doer?
That which works through you but not as you.

Excellent.
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:32 PM
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Who is the real doer?
That which works through you but not as you.

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Old 08-03-2020, 04:52 PM
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What are you now? Who is wondering about the 2%?
Why is it interested?
This is also clever.


Maybe that which causes him to ask this question is the Doer.

or
The one that observes, but isn't really just observing?

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Old 09-03-2020, 02:55 AM
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Who is the real doer?
That which works through you but not as you.

Thanks Shivani for your insightful observation.

"That which works through you" must be a common Doer and not an individual one. Yet it produces different actions in different individuals. Like electricity produces designed output from different gadgets.

What are we - programmed gadgets - used by "That which works through you"
Namaskar
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Old 09-03-2020, 02:59 AM
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What are you now? Who is wondering about the 2%? Why is it interested?
Thanks Maya EL

I may be the confused mind not willing to accept that essentially I am timeless
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Old 09-03-2020, 04:03 AM
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Never thought in terms of "who's the Doer?". I'm not even sure that I understand exactly what you mean ... maybe in terms of "by choice vs. by design", and "free will" (?)

At some point in my life it became imperative to find answers to the questions: "why am I here?", "what am I supposed to do?". Now I believe I know.

I also realized that all my life I had opportunities to learn specific things, but I didn't recognize them; then those opportunities popped up again and again until seemingly I was ready to make use of them.

How did that happen? I believe an inner guide, patiently, assisted and assists me, while not forcing me, and not creating or setting up anything for me by himself.

More recently, I also realized that we all can, and should, create our lives by assertively intending them to be the way we want. It doesn't matter what we want; it matters to intend and create it.

Not knowing that, we keep reacting to whatever comes our way, which leaves us hoping, or fearing a random-like future, and not doing what we came here to do.
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Old 09-03-2020, 04:14 AM
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Thanks Shivani for your insightful observation.

"That which works through you" must be a common Doer and not an individual one. Yet it produces different actions in different individuals. Like electricity produces designed output from different gadgets.

What are we - programmed gadgets - used by "That which works through you"
Namaskar
The wind blows through all the trees and we see the leaves move...

We say "look, the leaves are moving" but the leaves are still stationary to the wind which moves them.

The manifestation of Kriya Shakti is always the same, even though perception makes us view it differently...the same electricity which can produce heat can also produce cold...and the Light of Wisdom is that "Light Without Heat"....It was Steve Vai who taught me that one ..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTXGswyAls
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