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Old 16-02-2020, 01:37 PM
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Perception and the Mystery of the Unknown

https://www.scienceandnonduality.com...of-the-unknown

If the above link does not work copy and paste the following in your browser: scienceandnonduality.com/article/perception-and-the-mystery-of-the-unknown

This link works and I just bookmarked it for later reading. Thanks.
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Old 16-02-2020, 01:43 PM
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If you read the article, like you said you did, I would not need to tell you how words and concepts effect/change consciousness.

Baba Muktananda, evidently is not speaking about consciousness at all, he is speaking about the I AM, which is the higher/real self, the word consciousness is not in that Baba Muktananda quote. You assume he is talking about consciousness.

It's interesting that you mention Baba Muktananda, as I regularly hang out with a woman who served as a translator for Muktananda and with whom I have had many intriguing discussions on this subject recently and ongoing.

As you probably are aware, Muktananda's classic book is "Play of Consciousness".
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Old 16-02-2020, 01:47 PM
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No, I'm not misinterpreting, rejecting or ignoring anything. Advaita Vedanta, the strictest version of spiritual non-duality, emphatically claims objective reality is an appearance and an unreal one at that due to ignorance and explicitly because of error and ignorance inherent in cognition.

Again, for the 89th time, it would be to your benefit and that of this discussion if you at least make an attempt to understand Vedanta and non-dualism, instead of fabricating it on the fly and hammering that fabrication into your own preconceptions based on your beliefs and conditioned mind.

I already gave you the example of unification, and do I have to point it out once more what we perceive, while 'real', is simply not 'real' enough as evidenced by the fact there's a more fundamental force that underlies the other two.
The comment you made above shows that you are ignoring the truth of true reality. I will believe the physical universe is an illusion, when you show me an original text of Advaita Vedanta, that explicitly and clearly states that the universe is maya/illusion, not merely an opinion, concept or perception of it.
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I see it as appearing in consciousness,
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in the immensity of the Unknown.

Read my post: Align yourself with the oneness of God/nature, align yourself with infinite abundance:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133714

Also read my post:
The Quantum Physics of "God": A Self-Creating Universe or singularity:
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Old 16-02-2020, 01:55 PM
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The comment you made above shows that you are ignoring the truth of true reality. I will believe the physical universe is an illusion, when you show me an original text of Advaita Vedanta, that explicitly and clearly states that the universe is maya/illusion, not merely an opinion, concept or perception of it.

I've pointed you to many translated sources in video and text from Vedanta Society to the works of Vivekananda, however it's quite apparent you either refuse to view/read them or just can't comprehend what they are saying.

As for original source material, that's problematic as I cannot read or understand Sanskrit and I'm fairly confident you can't either. If I'm mistaken then you can go read the Rig Vedas in their original Sanskrit and there you will find what I'm relating.

Do you accept Newton's Laws of Motion? Einstein's theories of relativity? Quantum mechanics? The Standard Model? If so why because it's an absolute certainty you can't even begin to understand their underlying propositions and equations, yet you accept the word of the experts in the field and well you should because you are surrounded by their fruits. What you fail to realize is underneath, deep within, a part of you, the most important part, is pure consciousness and is aware of everything I'm posting. LOL!

The one difference between these math-heavy disciplines and spiritual non-duality is most likely you can never understand the details of the prior but if you have the least amount of trust/faith and intellectual curiosity you can not only grasp but actually experience the latter. It is well within your grasp but just not on ego's agenda.
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Old 16-02-2020, 02:10 PM
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True reality is the only true vantage point/foundation. True reality is the detector, and the triggerer of false mental ego I concepts, and perceptions.
A concept and thus perception of the ego I, such as JASG's the universe is an illusion causrs JASG to completely bypass and miss the truth of the true reality. Thus , This puts JASG in an ego concept and perception trap.
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I do not negate the world.
I see it as appearing in consciousness,
which is the totality of the known
in the immensity of the Unknown.

Read my post: Align yourself with the oneness of God/nature, align yourself with infinite abundance:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133714

Also read my post:
The Quantum Physics of "God": A Self-Creating Universe or singularity:
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133802
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Old 16-02-2020, 02:16 PM
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I've pointed you to many translated sources in video and text from Vedanta Society to the works of Vivekananda, however it's quite apparent you either refuse to view/read them or just can't comprehend what they are saying.

As for original source material, that's problematic as I cannot read or understand Sanskrit and I'm fairly confident you can't either. If I'm mistaken then you can go read the Rig Vedas in their original Sanskrit and there you will find what I'm relating.

Do you accept Newton's Laws of Motion? Einstein's theories of relativity? Quantum mechanics? The Standard Model? If so why because it's an absolute certainty you can't even begin to understand their underlying propositions and equations, yet you accept the word of the experts in the field and well you should because you are surrounded by their fruits. What you fail to realize is underneath, deep within, a part of you, the most important part, is pure consciousness and is aware of everything I'm posting. LOL!

The one difference between these math-heavy disciplines and spiritual non-duality is most likely you can never understand the details of the prior but if you have the least amount of trust/faith and intellectual curiosity you can not only grasp but actually experience the latter. It is well within your grasp but just not on ego's agenda.
And yet, there I was, asking you show me an original text of Advaita Vedanta, that explicitly and clearly states that the universe is maya/illusion, not merely an opinion, concept or perception of it.
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I do not negate the world.
I see it as appearing in consciousness,
which is the totality of the known
in the immensity of the Unknown.

Read my post: Align yourself with the oneness of God/nature, align yourself with infinite abundance:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133714

Also read my post:
The Quantum Physics of "God": A Self-Creating Universe or singularity:
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133802
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Old 16-02-2020, 02:27 PM
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And yet, there I was, asking you show me an original text of Advaita Vedanta, that explicitly and clearly states that the universe is maya/illusion, not merely an opinion, concept or perception of it.

I've given you enough insight and material to induce realization in a dozen body-minds. LOL!

https://youtu.be/cZOrq2dqkuY?t=1825

Similarly pure existence alone is real. Everything else that appears on the screen of pure existence is a picture, a movie. How does this help us? This is what Vedanta says "Brahma satyam jagat mithya". Brahman alone is real, the world is an appearance. Or as Sri Ramakrishna would put it, God alone is real, everything else is false.

Hint: Pure existence = pure consciousness.
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Old 16-02-2020, 02:38 PM
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I've given you enough insight and material to induce realization in a dozen body-minds. LOL!

https://youtu.be/cZOrq2dqkuY?t=1825

Similarly pure existence alone is real. Everything else that appears on the screen of pure existence is a picture, a movie. How does this help us? This is what Vedanta says "Brahma satyam jagat mithya". Brahman alone is real, the world is an appearance. Or as Sri Ramakrisna would put it, God alone is real, everything else is false.

Hint: Pure existence = pure consciousness.
So far, you only gave me examples of opinions and concepts. Opinions and concepts are not truth because opinions and concept are meant for the ego I.
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I do not negate the world.
I see it as appearing in consciousness,
which is the totality of the known
in the immensity of the Unknown.

Read my post: Align yourself with the oneness of God/nature, align yourself with infinite abundance:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133714

Also read my post:
The Quantum Physics of "God": A Self-Creating Universe or singularity:
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133802
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Old 16-02-2020, 02:47 PM
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So far, you only gave me examples of opinions and concepts. Opinions and concepts are not truth because opinions and concept are meant for the ego I.

Yes, as opposed to your opinions and concepts. LOL!

The difference is the opinions and concepts I'm presenting are the oldest in existence and have been examined, commented upon, debated, refined and experienced.

I'll also point out these opinions and concepts are terrifying to your little self, your ego-self. That's why you are so vehemently rejecting, denying and attempting to invalidate them. If they are in fact true then the little self, the ego-self, is but an appearance, imaginary, not supreme or even important. We can't have that. LOL!
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Old 16-02-2020, 03:06 PM
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Yes, as opposed to your opinions and concepts. LOL!

The difference is the opinions and concepts I'm presenting are the oldest in existence and have been examined, commented upon, debated, refined and experienced.

I'll also point out these opinions and concepts are terrifying to your little self, your ego-self. That's why you are so vehemently rejecting, denying and attempting to invalidate them. If they are in fact true then the little self, the ego-self, is but an appearance, imaginary, not supreme or even important. We can't have that. LOL!
Concepts are created to help you get thorough/past your ego I, concepts are not created for your ego I to identify with.
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I do not negate the world.
I see it as appearing in consciousness,
which is the totality of the known
in the immensity of the Unknown.

Read my post: Align yourself with the oneness of God/nature, align yourself with infinite abundance:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133714

Also read my post:
The Quantum Physics of "God": A Self-Creating Universe or singularity:
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133802
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