Why do we exist?

[Miss Hepburn]

This helped me, Rayden. Meher Baba


God is love. And Love must love. And to love there must be a Beloved.
But since God is Existence infinite and eternal there is no one for Him to love but Himself.
And in order to love Himself, He must imagine Himself as the Beloved whom He
as the lover imagines He loves.
Beloved and lover implies separation.
And separation creates longing; and longing causes search.
And the wider and the more intense the search, the greater the separation and the more terrible the longing.
When longing is at it's most intense, separation is complete, and the purpose of separation, which was that
love might experience itself as lover and Beloved,
is fulfilled; and union follows.

And when union is attained, the lover knows that he himself was all along the Beloved, whom he loved and desired union with;
and that all the impossible situations that he overcame were obstacles which he himself had placed in the path to himself.
To attain union is so impossibly difficult because it is impossible to become what you already are!
Union is nothing other than knowledge of oneself as the Only One.

[Dargor]

From my perspective we exist because we exist. Life has no meaning neither. A lot of people here say stuff like we chose to incarnate, but I honestly don't know if that's the case. Nobody has the ultimate answer to this question. Answers from invisible things shouldn't be trusted neither.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by lemex

I've never understood how this can be said. Can you explain what it means the world/universe wouldn't exist...

Not exactly the same, but for your enjoyment, and for this group:

This was how a similar ques was explained to me in 1975, by Larry Bernstein, architect and student of
Frank Lloyd Wright! Ha ...Brilliant man. I will paraphrase as best I can:

So, here you have God, infinite and infinitesimal. His creation like a tapestry....
of many threads. IF ONE of those threads (you) were not there...
the whole tapestry would not be the same!

The creation would have a void, a hole....you would not be there...God wouldn't even 'be God', infinite and infinitesimal,
because of that blank, that missing 'one' thread...you, in all your uniqueness.

There has to be a 'you' in order for there to be this Universe, for God to be Himself!
.......
I might as well, continue with more of what he said: This is why there had to be a soul such as Jesus'....because
as He sent out all these individual souls (that got attached to form and matter and their senses
and forgot their Source! lol, us!)...
there had to be that ONE that went out, but came immediately back to it's Home
unscathed by desires, attachments and forgettfulness in the Universe of matter.
Pure, Hansa the Pure Soul, the begotten Son. Voila!

One man's take. RIP Larry.

[IndigoGeminiWolf]

I believe we exist because the universe exists because we are here to observe it.

I don't believe things are as solid as we think they are. They only exist when something or someone observes them. It means you can go into the next room and your other room ceases to be till you go back. It returns to a state of potential. When you observe, the things manifest out of the Field. They say the probabilities collapse and cause the thing to exist.

We are God experiencing the Universe.

[davidsun]

Speaking of 'you', here are the opening paragraphs of the book I wrote:

What are you doing with your Life? Could you do better with it? What is Life all about anyway? And just how do you fit into it? The extent of your creative fulfillment depends on how honestly you answer such questions, and the degree to which your judgments and decisions are guided by the truth.

Whether you are young or old, male or female, black, white or color between; whatever your particular features and talents; whichever set(s) of people you ‘belong’ to; and whoever or however many you may be allied with— in ultimate terms, these are relatively minor factors and insignificant distinctions. Primarily and most fundamentally, you are a child of the Universe, sustained and governed by dynamics much greater than your own or those of any human grouping. You may like what you want and attempt what you will, but you will effectively prosper and succeed only insofar as you identify and navigate the vital currents that surround and include both others and yourself, for, in the final analysis, we are all but little fish in Life’s much larger stream.

If you wish to be more than just a bouncing ball, pointlessly ricocheting off and between others around you; if your life is to amount to more than a ripple that simply dissipates as it traverses space and time—it is crucial that you understand and appropriately utilize the opportunity inher*ent in being an aspect of vibrant energy within a much greater, infinitely creative flow of energetic vibration.

Your life is a part of all Life, much the way the movement of a molecule in its membrane is an integral component of a drum’s total excitation. What you know as Life‑on‑Earth is the conjoint response of our global ‘drumhead’ to a cosmic ‘drumbeat’, partly a function of activity stemming from the sun itself and partly a function of planetary movements. Like a tuning fork, but with much greater complexity because of the tremendous multiplicity and mutuality of our involve*ment, we all ‘vibrate’ together in reflexive co‑motion.

Our weather provides exemplary illustration: Responding to surrounding stimulus, air and water move in periodic patterns that moisten land surfaces and, eroding and dissolving them, mineralize our rivers, lakes and oceans. They thereby both pave the way for and stimulate further ‘vibrational’ developments. As the sun’s rays rhythmically excite elements of the earth, infusing them with power and catalyzing them into motion, they combine and recombine in ascending sequence, with repercussion building upon repercussion.

Your existence is suspended within a texture of ongoing flux, a personal dance within a cosmic symphony of progressive manifestation. You move in response to trends and events around you, and you contribute to the process as well—not just physically, in ways that are undoubtedly familiar, but also psychospiritually, in ways that transcend sensory data.

Further on in the same chapter, I say:

Most immediately salient is the fact that, within the context of geo-solar rhythms, as we partake of the same flow, each of us is intricately involved in the web of give-and-take that goes on between coexistent living beings. What happens in this arena is extremely pertinent; to ignore it is absolute folly. Ranging from those in our family, work and play groups to those all the way across the globe, we receive and respond to influences of thought, emotion and behavior which wax and wane in resonant interaction, with minor cycles merging into major ones that reach very powerful peaks.

Again, because psychospiritual dynamics are ubiquitous, I wish to emphasize that we are not just affected by overt expression but influenced by attitudes and intentions as well. In effect, these can be quite impressive! Walls and barricades provide no protection in this regard, for, besides early childhood, there are always times when we are not cogently self-directing, and therefore vulnerable. Without exception, we are psychospiritually defenseless when in deep sleep.

The nature of such influence is well illustrated by studies of genetically identical twins reared apart, having been adopted into separate families. More so even than twins reared together, who consciously choose to differentiate in ways, separated twins develop parallel interests and make similar choices, quite uncannily. This is because, like open-channel, two-way radios, though objectively unaware of the process, each is telepathically tuned into the other’s thought and feeling energies. Likewise, just with degree varying according to constitutional kinship and emotional receptivity, everyone is psychospiritually affected by every other in Life’s vibrant stream. Whether or not immediately adjacent to and, therefore, sensorially interactive with particular others at any given point, we are all partners in the same dance—at all times intertwined and co‑involved with everyone else, ‘inwardly’.

The ramifications of this truth are endless, and more potent than most people realize. Among others things, it results in individuals subconsciously picking up and carrying on traits and tendencies characteristic of others in their biogenic community. Those born of parents who feel adequate and optimistic, for instance, naturally venture forth much more positively than those stemming from parents steeped in doubt and anxiety. Likewise, those born into a context of selfish strife proceed, apt to be selfish and them*selves likely to strive, in ways quite different from others who take root in an atmosphere of social cooperation and interpersonal harmony.

Understanding this is vital: However separate you may think and feel you are in body, you are not an island unto yourself. And, whatever group or category you may fall into, your island does not consist of any particular segment (or even all!) of humanity. Each constituent of our earthly drumhead is affected by everyone else in the process, as they resonate to the concert-at-large and add their own input to the entire vibrational scheme.

You are not your own beginning or end. Neither are you just an offshoot or continuation of ancestral energies. You exist in resonant relationship with all else. The power that stimulates and sustains your every thought, feeling and action comes from All That Is in and around you. “In him we live, and move, and have our being” (Acts, 17:28) is how this was ex*pressed long ago, in then colloquial terminology.

Every one of us is a creative instrument ‘sounding’ in time, part and parcel of an orchestration in which each affects all and all affect each. “I am in the Father, and the Father [is] in me” (John, 14:11) didn’t just apply to the one who boldly made such claim; it is true as well of you and me. We are, all in all, joint heirs to what the marriage of sun and earth has produced, brothers and sisters who both share and contribute to a common pool of physical and psychospiritual energy.

Even as you choose to act, you are not totally autonomous, for we are all aspects of a Living Whole, which continuously renegotiates the accumulated impetus of the past, through multi-modal Self‑expression in the present, into a future that is conjointly desired and conceived. In maximal perspective, it is the Spirit-of-All-Life that per*petu*ally incarnates Itself within each and every being,a who serve as vehicles for Its further expression and develop*ment, to whatever degree is made possible by their current capacity for resonance and responsivity.

On a personal level, as you exercise yourself within such process, you may cause reverberations which augment development and consequent well-being. But, if contrary to or out of phase with what goes on around you, you may also bring about repercussions that are hurtful and deleterious. As any musician well knows, attunement and cooperation are essential for there to be a harmonious expression of creative energies.

Assuredly, frustration and failure are in store for those who don’t coordinate themselves with others in space and time, whether because of inconsideration or intracta*bility. Those who just suit themselves and not others, as they detract from more than they add to what they are part of, cause contextual impoverishment, and so ultimately precipitate their own defeat. It cannot be otherwise. Those who simply consume all that they can, who don’t set aside enough and do what is necessary to seed the next spring, must eventually suffer conditions of stringency. Even a devoted mother, finally reaching the point of exhaustion, will become averse to a child that is constantly demanding. You may draw your own, more far-ranging conclusions from such examples, by analogy.

Those who are out of step with or oppose the progression of Life around them naturally end up withering, the flow of energy sustaining them disrupted by dissonance, reduced to a trickle, in time of critical shortage cut off completely. Conversely, as is true for a child who learns to pump in time with a swing, those who synchronize their movements with goings on around them reach great heights, quite exhilaratingly.

On a transpersonal scale, as everyone contributes to the co-motion, waves of thought, feeling and behavior ripple and ricochet around the globe, cumulatively adding to the vibration of the platform on which we stand, building in resonance as they sweep through the race. At present in particular, with populations soaring and availability diminishing, these are approaching a crescendo of intensity. Those who are conscientious are becoming more loving and coordinated in the process; those who are selfish, more paranoid and alienated. Those who are hopeful are buoyantly choosing paths of constructive action; those without hope are sinking deeper into depression and degeneracy. Tension is mounting as people take sides; polarities of attitude and expectancy are reaching extremes.

We are approaching a snapping point. Ultimately, triggered by ecological breakdown, consequences will be cataclysmic. Depending on whether aligned with positive or negative trends, some will move higher up on Life’s evolutionary ladder, others will fall—our dilemma will be resolved by a massive catharsis.

Take heed, for what you now choose affects, for better or worse, what happens in the future, not only to you but also to those who you are most cogently involved with. Since you are an integral part of Life’s process, you are bound to move and be moved, one way or another, by current developments and ongoing themes.

But also take heart, if you are one who subscribes to what is good. As times of want alternate with times of plenty, the crises engendered, though painful and upsetting to go through, are on the whole very creative. Attributed to ‘the hand of God’ by some and to ‘natural selection’ by others, a process of culling then takes place which, far from being random, is positively discriminating and therefore, in final terms, constructive.

Individuals and groups that are reciprocal and sharing emerge ascendant, resonantly reinforced by one another, despite general shortage, overcoming their difficulties. Those that are unresponsive and unrelated atrophy in isolation; unless they change for the better, they weaken and fail eventually. Those that are antagonistic and oppositional fare worst of all; their energy depleted by friction and their momentum destroyed by clashes and collisions, their creative thrust is halted and reduced to nullity.

With every denouement, asynchronous and discordant elements are deleted, while more cooperative and coordinated embodiments proceed forth, the degree of har*monious integration increasing as each new stage succeeds.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Not exactly the same, but for your enjoyment, and for this group:

This was how a similar ques was explained to me in 1975, by Larry Bernstein, architect and student of
Frank Lloyd Wright! Ha ...Brilliant man. I will paraphrase as best I can:

So, here you have God, infinite and infinitesimal. His creation like a tapestry....
of many threads. IF ONE of those threads (you) were not there...
the whole tapestry would not be the same!

The creation would have a void, a hole....you would not be there...God wouldn't even 'be God', infinite and infinitesimal,
because of that blank, that missing 'one' thread...you, in all your uniqueness.

There has to be a 'you' in order for there to be this Universe, for God to be Himself!
.......
I might as well, continue with more of what he said: This is why there had to be a soul such as Jesus'....because
as He sent out all these individual souls (that got attached to form and matter and their senses
and forgot their Source! lol, us!)...
there had to be that ONE that went out, but came immediately back to it's Home
unscathed by desires, attachments and forgettfulness in the Universe of matter.
Pure, Hansa the Pure Soul, the begotten Son. Voila!

One man's take. RIP Larry.

I have observed some criticize some threads which is always sad to me where everyone seem to think we all have the same purpose. Is there a purpose in our connection or connection itself.

we exist because the
space in time wanted
jolly. god ok. chor

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

There has to be a 'you' in order for there to be this Universe, for God to be Himself!

Yes,, but this is a very ego-'self' serving belief/attitude, IMO. If 'you' weren't here or if 'you' were to choose to be 'different' than 'you' presently are, there wouldn't be this Universe, but there would be another Universe, i.e. a 'different' one.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

The creation would have a void, a hole....you would not be there...God wouldn't even 'be God', infinite and infinitesimal,
because of that blank, that missing 'one' thread...you, in all your uniqueness.

Personally, I would rather live in a Universe that was 'void' (LOL) of a lot of characters who are presently neglecting the welfare of as well as violating others on the planet, in effect trashing (IMO) Gaia and the creatures on it in ways which I personally find quite unfortunate (for all concerned).

God would still be both infinite and infitesimal as the quote says with such existential 'void', but it would be a 'better' (IMO) infinite/infintesimal Universe configuration.

Originally Posted by IndigoGeminiWolf

I believe we exist because the universe exists because we are here to observe it.

I don't believe things are as solid as we think they are. They only exist when something or someone observes them. It means you can go into the next room and your other room ceases to be till you go back. It returns to a state of potential. When you observe, the things manifest out of the Field. They say the probabilities collapse and cause the thing to exist.

We are God experiencing the Universe.

Now you're into the realms of quantum theory and in particular the double slit experiment, where consciousness collapses the wave of probability and particles are created. It's not 'they say' it's observable, scientific fact. It also explains the first lines of the Bible nicely. So yes, scientifically the Universe does exist because we are here to observe it, if it wasn't for us it would be a chaotic probability field. And for 'probability field' you can read 'God'.

Originally Posted by lemex

I have observed some criticize some threads which is always sad to me where everyone seem to think we all have the same purpose. Is there a purpose in our connection or connection itself.

Take a look in the mirror and you'll see all the answers you need. You are the answer looking for the question, and when you unravel that everything else in your reality unravels along with it.