Bible Contradiction

[333xforever]

I'm going to make this simple and clear, so I want a simple and clear answer. No long paragraphs: I will NOT read them, thanks :)
If you can't explain this simply in a paragraph or less, then don't bother. Because you probably don't know the answer.


Lucifer sinned because he wanted to be higher than God.
Here: Revelation 21:27, it says nothing sinful will ever enter heaven.
Also here: Job 1:6, it says Lucifer(Satan) visited God, so obviously in heaven.

How did Lucifer sin, if sin can't exist in heaven?

Lets go deeper. Where did the sin come from that overtook Lucifer? A higher power of evil?

[krs2014]

From what im aware of the are different tiers aka levels in heaven ... in Christianity they say there's 3 levels God resides in the 3rd heaven .. the most Holy Place .. pure bliss,peace,no worries,at one with God..

Pride was lucifer down fall

[Tristran]

Have you ever considered Lucifer following orders and transforming this world into a training ground for future allies of YHWH ?

Those who hate Christians at the time they die, fail and reincarnate.

Those who forgive and love one another, pass and move higher up the spiritual ladder.

The elite watered down the OT to the NT to control the masses.

This world is a Spiritual Boot Camp training ground. Nothing more than that.

No long paragraphs

Well that has wiped out Pete's chances of making a valid response then.

[krs2014]

Whooop whooop bring it on

Higher n higher ☺

[333xforever]

None of those were even remotely relevant to the questions...

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

333; The simplest answer is to say,as Yeshua said - just dont trust the religious doctrine..

Another simple answer- absolute truth according to Christ,and wholly pertinant to your question - the answer is there are TWO gods...The one IN the bible that created THIS part of creation - and also,Our Father,somehtng entirely different,as taught by Christ Himself..Also,TWO REALMS - seperate and hidden purposefully,one from the other - also as explained by Christ directly....Finally - though I should have said this first perhaps - part of this answe,is to say,Christ Himself,NEVER ACKNOWLDGES SATAN, - ever- never mentions it at all...Go figure..He does tell a comlete narrative,explaining all this - and it is form THIS truth that the bible half truth is formed..

Tristan - Im in full control of myself here..lol...

[jojo50]

Originally Posted by 333xforever

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Question, did you notice the order of the scriptures? Satan sinned when he tempted eve with a lie ,(Gen.3:1-5), satan told her, she would be “as Gods”. He also said they wouldn't die. They didn't die at that moment, but later in life they did.

Just like Jehovah God didn't allow the first couple to die right then. He also allowed the wicked angels in Heaven, (Job 1:6), until later when Jesus also known as michael and his angels kicked them out ,(Rev. 12:7-9).

by the time John wrote Rev. 21:27 Heaven was clear of ALL wickedness and sin.

[Amilius777]

You have to understand Rabbinical literature and Jewish prophetic allegory.

Satan or Lucifer isn't a literal person. Majority of the Hebrew Prophets personified certain archetypes and ideas to get the common people to fly straight and wake up.

Satan is the personification of evil itself.

The prophets, clairvoyant geniuses saw 3 different levels of evil-



individual and personal sins. These were created by the actual person. They called it "sin". It was a state of missing perfection. It was thoughts and eventually actions that pulled a person further from God's mind. But the Temple priests argued over purity codes and always made those the "big sins" like sexual promiscuity, dietary laws, physical cleanliness and such.



the World- or the collective evil which we can see in groups against each other or Empires, religious laws, market places, penal systems. The Hebrew prophets usually critique Israel itself for making pacts with Rome to drive out the Selucids which got them occupied in the first place, Jesus trashed the Temple because the priesthood and the Roman economy became corporate allies kinda like cronies and worshipped money. We also see these imperial forces in our own time. We see aspects of imperial America which is heavily corporate and Wall Street. Those two things feed each other and create more war (Iraq War), we see in Britian, Arab countries all sorts of these evils.

Then you have the final and ultimate evil- Satan. This is evil itself. Jesus says he saw- "Satan fell like lightning from heaven" when he cast out a bad spirit. Heaven doesn't always refer to HEAVEN as in paradise. It also mean the "the Air" or space above the earth. Many at that time believed in "the powers of the Air, principalities of darkness" "prince of the air". This power took over individual lives in the form of demons, it took over governments, empires in the form of emperors, the senate, the Priesthood, the Church and State,- we see this even nowadays.

The devil is not a guy with a pitchfork who was thrown out of heaven. That is all symbolic. The story of Satan with God in Job is also a Parable. It didn't happen. Job was never a historical story. Diablos in Greek means "to throw apart". The world Symbol means "to put together". Religion means "to re-connect". All religion is Symbolic, or is meant to be but it can be diabolic as we see in the world (ISIS, Inquisition, Crusades,)

They didn't have words like energy or force or anything remotely scientific in the Ancient world. Satan or the devil is a Dark Energy-force that empowers and controls all the higher ups in this world. The Church and Government legitimize and enforce things that are suppose to be evil and call them good. Any time someone or something or Group and calls something "God" or "Good" when it isn't God or Good are of the devil. To worship and accept anything that is not God and make it God is of the devil.

The devil was created by God as a counterpart to good. It's purpose was to keep a balance with the light so that souls could experience everything in a dualistic creation- either/or, light/dark, male/female, this/that, good/evil, happy/sad, etc. It has a purpose for experience, some call it the ego or false self and false reality. And it's even called "the False god" by some prophets. It isn't entirely evil because it is needed to show the Truth or True God, but this False god/dark energy has a life of it's own. It is a force of it's own. And it gets out of control and throws the world out of balance when Humans and other entities contribute to it and add more to that energy. ISIS would not exist if it wasn't for the evil thoughts and ideologies and actions of that evil group. That group obtains more energy and force because of it's own negativity that it puts out. That group is a good example. It receives what it asks for, it confuses things that are not God/good with things that are evil. It is guided by that negative force/god.

GOd gave that energetic force a power of it's own for a purpose but there are some things that not even God intends or intended. God didn't intend for the devil to do what he does. So in that sense the devil did "come from Heaven". It came from God. And it roams the "earth" as in says in Job "to and forth", a darker energy ready to collect those who belong to it (bad humans/ demons/ etc).It is "in heaven" the one around the Earth so to speak- the 4th dimension in the form of demonic spirits who have not been exiled to lower-astral Realms. That is why Jesus would cast out these spirits and say, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven". He was able to send these spirits to lower levels where they belong, not around the Earthbound realm or 4th dimension.

[333xforever]

Originally Posted by jojo50

Question, did you notice the order of the scriptures? Satan sinned when he tempted eve with a lie ,(Gen.3:1-5), satan told her, she would be “as Gods”. He also said they wouldn't die. They didn't die at that moment, but later in life they did.

Just like Jehovah God didn't allow the first couple to die right then. He also allowed the wicked angels in Heaven, (Job 1:6), until later when Jesus also known as michael and his angels kicked them out ,(Rev. 12:7-9).

by the time John wrote Rev. 21:27 Heaven was clear of ALL wickedness and sin.

You may have the closest answer to the first question, that sin existed and was "allowed" in heaven, but the second one stands. Where did sin come from if there is no Satan?

[Tristran]

Originally Posted by 333xforever

You may have the closest answer to the first question, that sin existed and was "allowed" in heaven, but the second one stands. Where did sin come from if there is no Satan?

Sin is a chromosome in every physical entities' DNA.

Once Satan rebelled, the sin chromosome was automatically activated.

The same switch occurred with both Adam and Eve when the Apple of Knowledge event took place.