Our Loving Source is an Amazing Manifestor

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by iamthat

And yet within each one of us there is a source of unconditional spontaneous joy which naturally rises from within. The challenge is to find it.

Peace

I doubt that. Oh well, each to their own I guess.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

You know what, I'll say it. I wanna clarify this for SlayerofLight..

God is unapproachable to me aswell. I can do a little rant, many times in my life. And in those moments I also think that the joy who chose this life is stupid and mean. Even tho logically speaking[1] it is sound, that there has to be a value that is greater than itself. But many times I cannot find that value[2]. And so one thinks. ...

[1] Human logic isn't capable to deal with such hypotheses. Intuition might.

[2] I believe each one of us "is here" to practice creating reality. Nothing more, nothing less. This is a training ground where we operate with training wheels, and protective pads.

"We here" are like characters in educational computer game. And no, we aren't much better "up there", or we wouldn't have to practice "down here".

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

I doubt that. Oh well, each to their own I guess.

Ditto

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

I doubt that. Oh well, each to their own I guess.

Originally Posted by inavalan

Ditto

You are welcome to doubt it. It is obviously unknown to you. If you wish to spend the rest of your life in a joyless state then that is your choice.

Peace

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by iamthat

You are welcome to doubt it. It is obviously unknown to you. If you wish to spend the rest of your life in a joyless state then that is your choice.

Peace

That is not really a choice. You know nothing about me at all, so I would appreciate it if you'd be somewhat less presumptuous about it. If you think you can just turn happy out of the blue then obviously life has unfolded much more differently for you than it has for me.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by iamthat

You are welcome to doubt it. It is obviously unknown to you. If you wish to spend the rest of your life in a joyless state then that is your choice.
Peace

There are better alternatives than joyful faith or joyless lack of faith, like knowing through inner guidance and intuition.

You wrote earlier:

Originally Posted by iamthat

And yet within each one of us there is a source of unconditional spontaneous joy which naturally rises from within. The challenge is to find it.

I don't believe that "within each one of us there is a source of unconditional spontaneous joy which naturally rises from within". This is your belief, and maybe of some others. But, there are also people who have different understandings of the wider reality.

You can't prove your truth to them, they can't prove theirs.

In your latest post you put those who believe as you believe in your Heaven, and all the others in your Hell. "The truth" (of the wider reality) can't be that way.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

I only believe in myself as a piece of walking stardust (which is scientifically proven to be correct). Not as an extension of an unproven divine and intelligent source. My birth and existence is nothing more than an accidental coincidence. If the point of said journey is joy, then I must be missing out something because it's rather the opposite of joy.

Yeah what you miss is simple. Existence is meaningless. That is the greatest gift of existence. The meaning you put out is the meaning you get back, evermore.

So think of value. What is value? The more you think of purpose and meaning and value, the more you will realise joy. Law of attraction applies here. 20 seconds of focused thought is enough for expansion to happen in your thought. Another thought like it joins and more momentum (science) and thus power. Energy in motion. Is EVERYTHING being and becoming evermore here and now.

Simple really. If you say you miss out on something, you will experience more ways that you are missing out on something. Ongoingly more, the more consistently you activate that thought. And the thing is, your got your emotions to help you know if what you are creating will be enjoyable to you once it manifests, or not. So you can't get it wrong, and you wont ever get it done, because you will always be able to have more fun.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

That is not really a choice. You know nothing about me at all, so I would appreciate it if you'd be somewhat less presumptuous about it. If you think you can just turn happy out of the blue then obviously life has unfolded much more differently for you than it has for me.

Life or reality is old news. It is a reflection or evidence or indicator of your past energy motional offering. And your power is in your now. The energy you offer now. If you want to be able to feel joy on command, all you gotta do is think about it long enough, that the thought begins to gain momentum due to law of attraction and thus attraction power. And instead of length, think of focus and consistency of focus which can be termed as alignment. That is all there is to it. You can be do or have anything you want.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by inavalan

There are better alternatives than joyful faith or joyless lack of faith, like knowing through inner guidance and intuition.

You wrote earlier:

I don't believe that "within each one of us there is a source of unconditional spontaneous joy which naturally rises from within". This is your belief, and maybe of some others. But, there are also people who have different understandings of the wider reality.

You can't prove your truth to them, they can't prove theirs.

In your latest post you put those who believe as you believe in your Heaven, and all the others in your Hell. "The truth" (of the wider reality) can't be that way.

Well, I guess that's a nice way of putting it. Yes.

Have you ever come to the point of unconditional love or true love, where life becomes fluid more liquid more quasi physical and lucid and vivid and joyous ever refreshing and wakeful, where instant manifestations happen all over the place as your thoughts turn to thing constantly, as some people like the say the 5th dimension or 4th density?

Long question but if you have ever been there you will surely know what I'm talking about. And I would like to ask what helps you get into that state? For me it is focus for sure. Consistentcy of focus. And well being as a word helps me get there too. Unless I'm tired then I can't really get myself to focus. I become somewhat lazy in that case. But if I've slept well and feel good. The focus is delicious! How do you get there? If you have ever or maybe recall ever having been there.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Well, I guess that's a nice way of putting it. Yes.

Have you ever come to the point of unconditional love or true love, where life becomes fluid more liquid more quasi physical and lucid and vivid and joyous ever refreshing and wakeful, where instant manifestations happen all over the place as your thoughts turn to thing constantly, as some people like the say the 5th dimension or 4th density?

Long question but if you have ever been there you will surely know what I'm talking about. And I would like to ask what helps you get into that state? For me it is focus for sure. Consistentcy of focus. And well being as a word helps me get there too. Unless I'm tired then I can't really get myself to focus. I become somewhat lazy in that case. But if I've slept well and feel good. The focus is delicious! How do you get there? If you have ever or maybe recall ever having been there.

During one of my early out-of-body experiences I met a being that emanated an overwhelming goodness. It was an indescribable feeling ... ecstatically happy, protected, loved, "nothing else mattered", ...

Years later, I learned from my inner guide what was that: it was made up for me, meant to encourage my continuing on that path, and to give me confidence and courage. It worked.

I don't subscribe to any of the "unconditional love" beliefs I heard of. I don't believe that we are here to learn "love", or "unconditional love". We are here to practice creation of reality. This is a training camp, like an educational computer game played by our inner-selves, virtually. We perfect our skills: intellect and intuition. We learn how to master our instincts and emotions, and how not to be overwhelmed by them.

I don't target achieving, or experiencing something similar to unconditional love, neither as short term well-being, nor long term.

I believe that the understanding of your position in the wider reality is a desirable goal. That realization is enlightenment, and not what religions and gurus claim that to be. That can eventually be acquired only from your inner source of knowledge and guidance. It can't be rationalized.