Heaven or Reincarnation?

If you are Soul mates you will meet up again.

[Fresco]

Originally Posted by SpiralNature

that unknown is what terrifies me.

I want to know that when i die (if my partner has died before me) that i will be reunited with him upon entering the afterlife. It petrifies me not knowing if i would.to me love is forever, not bound upon just the earth experience

If I understand it all correctly, you will always meet up with your twin-soul at some stage.
But is your present partner really your twin-soul, or is it just another soulmate. Or is it someone you really like, but who isnt your twin-soul??

A twin-soul is your ultimate life partner. But a soulmate is not. Does that make sense??

Heaven or Reincarnation... I wonder...both!

I understand a soul is like a grape on a bunch of grapes attached to the whole vinyard.

The bunch of Grapes is what some of you have heard referred to as the soul group.

This presents the possibility that this life is only the tip of the biggest of Icebergs.

Originally Posted by Ahimsa

It's so hard to be definite on this one. There are infinite possibilities, really. But my version of it goes something like this:

We are spiritual beings, and incarnating as human is just one part of our experience. We really are so much more than just this one lifetime. We existed before and we will exist after. We exist above and below and all around this one incarnation. And when it is over, our souls will continue on. We are our souls- that is who we really are. Life here is something of a dream, in a way.
I believe in reincarnation- from my perspective, I know without a doubt that it happens. What we call "heaven" is a human interpretation of the blissful aspect of the divine. The "gates of heaven" refer to the the doorway into the divine that we experience through death, or through profound meditation or spiritual awakening. When I use the word "God" I am referring to what I call "the light". It's the source, it's the sum total of it all, it's loving and bright and beautiful and dynamic. I have seen this light; I know it is there. There are beings that operate within it, to it and from it, as messengers and guides. These beings are the angels. They are not human, and they can be very helpful. They are radiant. I have seen one of them and it was like nothing else I have ever seen.
When we die, we go through a process of spiritual transcendence of the body. We shed the body and return to our more pure form, which is the soul. In doing this, we go through a series of stages. In one or more of these stages, we process the life left behind. This is the process we call "purgatory". It is called this name because here the soul is essentially purged of its earthly life. We process and release all of our deeds, and we experience the truth about ourselves. It can be very painful, but we need to do this in order to release from the body and the lifetime. Failure to transcend through this stage can result in an earthbound state, which creates ghosts.
We can and often do go through stages of this "life review" process while we are alive. In truth, death is simply a magnification of what occurs in life. If we work on ourselves and face our truth, though it may be scary, we will do the same in death and we will pass through the stages and go straight into the light of the divine. If we run away from ourselves and fail to face our truth, it will be particularly difficult for us to in death to purge and move on.
My experience has taught me that there is a realm in which beings who shun the light of the divine tend to cluster. This realm is shut away from the light because the beings who cluster there have no wish to be near the light. There are some powerfully negative beings there, and there is a conscious effort of some sort to maintain a boundary which wards off the light. The beings in this place are often in a state of great pain and suffering. I have seen some of them, and I call them demons. There are dark entities there which do try to reach out and encourage vulnerable souls to join them. One way they do this is by taking advantage of compromised individuals and coercing them to do things that are destructive to the soul, such as suicide. Many extremely suicidal people report hearing voices telling them to kill themselves. These voices belong to the dark entities from this realm.
God is all loving, and there is always a sense of unconditional compassion and forgiveness emanating from the light for everyone- including the dark entities. The divine light is made of love, and beings who enter into this light are at once immersed in a sea of love, the most profound and glorious love we as humans could ever possibly imagine. Its vastness is almost imperceptible to us. To comprehend it our minds have to strain, and they sometimes break in the effort.
There are so many questions to be answered which touch on the realm of the soul. There are answers, but they strain the boundaries of our human consciousness. Some things we are not meant to comprehend in this life.

Hi Ashima.
I totally agree with what you say.
My own version exactly.
I have a friend who has just registered. He is extremely interested in this topic.
No doubt he will be posting soon.
Thank you.
Deepsea

Originally Posted by Neville

Heaven or Reincarnation... I wonder...both!

I understand a soul is like a grape on a bunch of grapes attached to the whole vinyard.

The bunch of Grapes is what some of you have heard referred to as the soul group.

This presents the possibility that this life is only the tip of the biggest of Icebergs.

You have just reinforced what I was thinking,Neville.
What comes to mind is a 'family tree'.
From the great Source as the beginning, down to the fruit which we are eventually.

Originally Posted by theophilus

But we all begin life without any memory of previous incarnations. If reincarnation is true then it is impossible to make any progress. On the other hand heaven is a place where we can go on learning and making progress for all eternity because we will always retain the memories of what we have already learned.

Our conscious mind has no memory of previous incarnations, but our subconscious mind remembers EVERYTHING. Because we are so intuned with the physical world, it is hard for us to bring our subconscious mind to the forefront. This is why it takes so long and so many incarnations to learn. It is a slow, but necessary process. A lot of times we even digress.

We can't just gain access into heaven. It is a privilege you have to earn, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone you know that is ready. I can't remember where I read this but somewhere it says, John (I think John the baptist) was a great man on Earth but he would be the least of those in heaven.

Also, I don't believe in soul-mates. We are all brothers with the same father and no mother. "Real love", in the spirit, is unconditional and I believe is different than love in the physical. At least that is the way the Lord intended it to be.

Feeling attached to a certain soul is very common. It is the result of knowing this soul and having a strong bond with it in previous lives. Your current wife could've been your wife from a previous life, or even a really good friend. In the end, I believe we will all love everyone the same.

One thing that is interesting is when someone is so in love with someone else, but that other someone has no interest at all in that person. People even commit suicide because they cant deal with the pain of that other person not carring about them.

[Left Behind]

Originally Posted by Roaring Thunder

Quick question: When we die, do we go through purgatory and then go to Heaven or do we return for yet another lifetime on Earth?

I personally would rather go through purgatory but go to Heaven afterwards than to go through no purgatory but come back here again.

If we get to vote on it, I'll vote the same way, RT.

Jim

[Left Behind]

Originally Posted by Celeste

It depends on what you believe. Some people feel, when you die, you go to heaven or hell (organized religion). Others feel you usually go to purgatory (organized religion, again) which is more realistic to me as it seems rather hard to believe you could possibly go straight to hell, as it seems equally hard to believe you could go straight to heaven.

Some say what you believe, is what it will be (as in, you make your own reality). Some say there is reincarnation, but I think your soul can also choose not to reincarnate on earth again.

There are so many different opinions. Who knows what to believe!!

Very true.

When I was a kid, people used to say, "Noi matter what you believe, we'll never know for sure in this life. One thing's for sure: nobody ever comes back to tell us!"

Now, with the near-death experiences, people ARE allegedly coming back to tell us. But we still don't know for sure, since many of the experiences they relate. and the things they saw. are so different.

Jim

[Left Behind]

Originally Posted by CuriousSnowflake

Neither. I think you get what you think you will get, until you stop thinking that way. IMHO, the afterlife is the realm of imagination, a place of instantaneous creation. So you may create your heaven, or your hell, or you may return to incarnation, or you may reunify with Oneness, or any combination thereof. Take your pick, and you may change your mind as often as you choose.

CS

Interesting: and I hope so! I like the style of afterlife discussed in Benson's/Borgia's Life in the World Unseen, so will concentrate on that.

Jim