Experience with astral sex, etc.

[OtioseDodge]

I also think it's important to mention that I've recently had very positive dreams about the woman that I mentioned in my first post.

[misfit]

Originally Posted by OtioseDodge

Thanks a lot to everyone for their replies, particularly to Astral Explorer for devoting so much time. :) This is obviously a matter that requires my serious attention, and I'd like to follow up on what I wrote with some more background information and current stuff to see what you all think. While your points are clearly very important, there are some things that make me waver about what exactly's happening to me. Your posts suggest that I have to reconsider the role of what I considered to be divine assistance in my life, and I'd like to speak to that.

Please excuse the fact that this post will involve information that's more about general spirituality and divine assistance, but I'm sure that most of you can understand that at some level all of these topics tend to mix.

I've been an altruistic person for basically all my life, but my first experience with divine assistance came back in 2008, when I started meditating intensively for the first time in my life. I used a very simple technique, concentration on the breath, and I meditated an hour a day for six months. In the middle of this period, I had my first vision during meditation. It was very soothing, a simple image but at first I didn't know what to do with it. Eventually I started interpreting the images that came up using the association method I had learned for dream interpretation, that is, seeing what popped into my head immediately after seeing the image. I found that this worked well. However, it's important to note that at that point I didn't consider these images (or my dreams) to be spiritual in any way; I just considered them to be information from my subconscious mind.

Over time, I began to see the images simply when I closed my eyes. But at times they wouldn't come at all for months. In any case, they became another tool in my toolkit for navigating life.

Then there was another major shift last December. I was at an extremely low point in my life. Practically everything seemed to be at a dead end. And it was around this time that I started seeing flashes of white and blue light in my field of vision, whether my eyes were open or closed. And shortly thereafter I started praying for the first time since I was a child. It wasn't to the God of any particular religion; instead, it was a prayer to the force of Love.

And at the same time I was doing research on what the flashes of light could be. I read websites and posted on forums, and the consensus seemed to be that they were messages from positive spiritual entities. And so I started tentatively associating with the lights, that is, like dream interpretation, I would see what the first thought was that popped into my head after seeing a light. And it seemed to work.

My research into the nature of these lights then prompted a slew of research on the so-called New Age movement, the idea of spiritual realms, and a whole bunch of other related stuff. And a lot of it was very eye-opening. I've suffered from psychological problems for all of my life, and after reading some things, I realized that the missing ingredient in my recovery was probably clearing the influence of negative spiritual entities. So I did some simple practices, and again, it seemed to help.

Then, around March I had what I think was a very significant dream. I'll spare you the details (other people's are always a little boring!), but the essential message was that I had received an "installation" of a fifth-dimensional "operating system", and that I had become the spiritual equivalent of a Buddha... I know, I know, it probably sounds ridiculous, but I've been interpreting my dreams for almost twenty years, and the message was clear.

Since these experiences, it seems like the path has basically been one of consolidation. That is, of establishing a better connection with my spiritual guides. Over time other channels of communication have opened up, like synchronicities, subtle voices in my head, and pressure on different parts of my body.

And lately there's been all but sure proof of the fact that these guides are influencing my physical reality. For instance, back in August, I had a vision of an angel extracting something from my stomach. The associated thought was that my divine helpers were extracting etheric fat (I'm a little overweight). And shortly after I started losing my apetite, and for about the past two months I've basically eaten the equivalent of one meal a day. I've lost around twelve pounds, which is nice. :) And I feel absolutely fine; normal energy level, etc. Granted, I haven't been to the doctor to get checked out, but quite frankly, I really don't believe in Western medicine unless it's an absolute emergency.

I guess what I'm getting at with all this info is that if what some of you are saying is true, all this time I've basically had the wool pulled over my eyes by negative spiritual entities masquerading as positive entities. I mean, these entities essentially told me that what happened with the woman was true. One caveat that I forgot to mention: they did mention that what happened with her wasn't fully conscious for her, so that may explain why we were able to "meet up" astrally.

In any case, given all this additional info, do you all still think that I'm essentially dealing with negative entities?

One thing I have to mention too: sometimes these entities tell me that something will happen, and it doesn't. When I demand an explanation later, they tell me that it's because I needed a "boost", sort of like telling a kid that Santa Claus exists to make him or her feel good.

And the truth is that I almost always come out of dialogues with these entities feeling better. And I can't tell you how many times I've asked God and any perfectly positive spiritual entities to clear me of influence from negative entities. Maybe just asking is not enough, but whenever I commune with these entities, I always form the intention of only talking with higher spiritual entities, never lower.

So that's about it. I realize that this post isn't really about astral travel, but some of you seemed very well-informed, and I basically don't know anyone else that I can talk to about this.

Maybe deep down within you, you know that they have lied to you, as you have personally witnessed in your dealings with them. But those lies always come with an alibi that you decided were acceptable.

In my previous post i mentioned the 'naughty angels'. I knew they were 'naughty', liars, trouble makers, and God only knows what else, BUT I still sometimes dialogue with them. I guess because they are fantastical, other-realm beings that I can communicate with, and it somehow entertains me (to be quite honest).

But then, when I do communicate with them, I treat the communication as though I were speaking with someone (like an aquaintance or a workmate etc) who thinks they know exactly what's happening with this or that, but actually they're just giving their own opinion (whatever their agenda may be), but I still speak to them about it. I guess basically, it's just for the sake of just socialising or something. It somehow makes me feel better, I guess, otherwise why would I do it.

But always, I don't believe them if they start subtly or obviously make suggestions of what I should or should not do. I just talk to them just basically for the sake of talking. Or for company. Is all.

[misfit]

Originally Posted by OtioseDodge

I also think it's important to mention that I've recently had very positive dreams about the woman that I mentioned in my first post.

Basically, they are just dreams. I also have positive dreams with the opposite sex but we don't end of together-together.

I tell you, the person(s) I am in love with, I am actually NOT with. If Life wants to give you a love-partner, it definitely will. No questions asked. I am not with the person, my heart is somewhat in pain, but I can say that I am one of the happiest people in the world.

Sometimes, or often, we don't get what we absolutely long for. In life, we only are given the experiences/people tailored just for us (good or bad experiences), for our personal growth and for our personal good.

[astralsuzy]

Originally Posted by OtioseDodge

I also think it's important to mention that I've recently had very positive dreams about the woman that I mentioned in my first post.

That is good that you have positive dreams about her. Cherish the dreams but this woman does not want to be with you in real life. You need to move on. The more you think about her, the more you are likely to dream about her.

[Astral Explorer]

Originally Posted by OtioseDodge

I also think it's important to mention that I've recently had very positive dreams about the woman that I mentioned in my first post.

Positive and negative are a matter of perception and are certainly not interpreted constant from person to person. But something to keep in mind is that while you may of had dreams involving the form of this girl that doesn't mean it was the girl. In fact it's literally hundreds, thousands, or millions of times more likely not to be that girl and have anything to do with that girl other than form than it is to be that girl. In dreams we are roaming around a dimension filled by a majority of beings who live and operate in that dimension, you're countless times more likely to encounter a "spiritual" being than ANY other dreamer. Let alone a dreamer that you know or know of in this dimension. The statistics unfortunately make the chances of it being that girl or having any real tangible relevance with that girl other than the form beyond unlikely. I'm sure it's easier to allow yourself to believe otherwise because of your desires to have relations with this girl but I always try and be honest, especially when taking into consideration what the likely alternative is and means.

At this point there are beings I have regular contact with on a nightly and/or weekly basis that always take the form of someone I know or know of IRL. One takes the form of my half-brother as a child, another as the same half-brother as an adult, another takes the form of my father, another takes the form of my mother, another takes the form of my sister, and there are many more who take the form of other friends, relationships, and people I know and know of. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are just the same being taking more than one form to fulfill their agenda, but it certainly doesn't matter because I know it's not actually the physical person they are appearing as. I know for a fact it's not my half-brother, not my father, not my mother, not my sister, the list goes on. Most of them don't even pretend to be my mother or father - it appears their shadow-screen is doing most of the work and my consciousness is filling in the blanks. They could certainly make a much better attempt at playing that role if they so desired but in many cases they seem too engorged in their own personality to bother. The obvious other option is perhaps they were that form they are taking in another life? Like maybe they were my brother in another life? Or maybe they were my father or mother in another life? Once again I make no assumptions because I know they aren't any of those beings they appear as in this current life.

When you have literally hundreds of experiences with these beings it becomes quite obvious and I'm certain if you knew the girl IRL very well who the being is taking the form of you would eventually come to the same conclusion. And while almost all of the beings I mentioned in my own experiences live in a dark and chaotic lower-realm I have certainly had pleasant experiences that could be interpreted and/or perceived as positive involving them. You can have negative experiences in the "light" realms and positive experiences in the "dark" realms, just as you can in this middling dimension. While I have had experiences in the "light" realms where I felt a connection to a being that felt deeper than just that experience they weren't taking the form of someone else, they were in a form that while I recognized it I didn't know it. Because taking the form of another being and the use of a "shadow screen" (note the "shadow") is something that occurs in the darker lower-realms as appears so is astral sex. The majority of your experience is honestly exactly what occurs when dealing with an energetic vampire that specializes in sexual energy, if that weren't the case I wouldn't have bothered writing as much as I did. But as I said before you can certainly have an experience with a succubus that you perceive or interpret as positive, because the interpretation and perception is often based in the "feelings" and thoughts we have during the experience. Both of which energetic vampires are extremely skilled at manipulating in many cases. And since you desire this girl so deeply and want to be with her so much that even an energetic vampire helping you express those desires and wants could certainly appear and feel as positive to you. Because as I mentioned before in a way it is helping us express things that would otherwise go unexpressed, but unfortunately in regards to everything else when dealing with a succubus there is a much deeper and darker sinister truth behind the illusion of that experience. Something that usually takes an extended period of time and dozens if not hundreds of experiences to begin to even notice. Nonetheless it's your choice on how you perceive your own experiences and what you do or do not willingly participate in during your life, dreams, and projections. But I felt like somebody needed to be honest and bring some probabilities and likelihoods up - which I have done.

All spiritual and dark matters aside I wouldn't put too much energy into it personally. My best physical advice would be either talk to the girl and make an effort to have her get to know you or move on and look for someone else, because life is short and there is no point in obsessing and wasting precious time over someone who isn't interested in you. The more you allow yourself to think and feel about a person the more you are going to think and feel about them, and unless that eventually pays off it is wasted time and energy. Time and energy that could of went into someone who was attainable, someone who does and/or would want to know you, someone who can help you express your energies in a healthy and safe physical way. Good luck!

[OtioseDodge]

Thanks again to everyone for their replies and suggestions, and once again, especially to you, Astral Explorer, and also to Misfit.

I just had an absolutely mind-blowing OOBE (my first extended one) which was facilitated by my spiritual guides. Went to the farthest reaches of the universe, saw distant galaxies, and even visited their home world (as much as they have a physical home). Anyway, this is just more confirmation that I'm on the right track with everything, including things with this woman.

In any case, I really do appreciate the concern that I saw in this thread. Regardless of the outcome, I'm sure all of you gained some karma points!

All the best
OD

[Astral Explorer]

Originally Posted by OtioseDodge

Thanks again to everyone for their replies and suggestions, and once again, especially to you, Astral Explorer, and also to Misfit.

I just had an absolutely mind-blowing OOBE (my first extended one) which was facilitated by my spiritual guides. Went to the farthest reaches of the universe, saw distant galaxies, and even visited their home world (as much as they have a physical home). Anyway, this is just more confirmation that I'm on the right track with everything, including things with this woman.

In any case, I really do appreciate the concern that I saw in this thread. Regardless of the outcome, I'm sure all of you gained some karma points!

All the best
OD

Congratulations on your experience! I just wanted to say that personally I'd be careful about any correlations I make between an experience not directly dealing with "the girl" and "the girl." Astral projection and dreaming are not necessarily going to occur with the exact same beings in each experience, so making a correlation between an experience not involving a specific being and that being doesn't make much sense IMO. And often we look for a deeper meaning of the experiences we have, when in reality there often is not any symbolic value or deeper meaning. Sometimes a fun and interesting experience in space is just a fun and interesting experience in space and doesn't necessarily mean any specific beings involved and/or not involved in the experience are good or bad. With that said good and/or bad beings have no individual claim on space so the act of taking you into space doesn't necessarily denote that a being is good or bad, or that they are seeking to help or harm you.

As I've mentioned in other formats you can be taken to an amazing place and have an amazing experience by a "bad" being and you can be taken to a horrible place and have a negative experience by a "good" being. Human nature makes us associate positive experiences with positive beings and negative experiences with negative beings. But if you're at the point where you're trying to deduce whether the beings playing the role of "guides" are good or bad I wouldn't let one experience of that manner dictate your definitive judgment. Because beings that would be judged as "bad", "negative", or "dark" can certainly create, facilitate, and allow you to have experiences that would fall into the same and/or a similar category as the one you briefly described. I would also be careful how deeply I allow myself to believe that you're dealing with the exact same beings in different experiences, because as I've mentioned before it's extremely difficult to know for sure what being we're actually dealing with. The only reason I believe some of the beings I deal with are the same is because they take the same form, but even that is far from foolproof and I could certainly be being deceived. Which I am sure I have because I've had more than one being take the same form of someone I know IRL and it seemed like a completely different being by the way they acted and reacted, but maybe it was just a different situation. The point is it's impossible to know for sure, so I would just keep your wits and make sure you're thinking through your own actions and reactions and not acting impulsively or basing your actions on how an experience or a specific being makes you feel. Because feelings are easily manipulated in the spiritual dimensions.

I find it extremely ironic and convenient though that right around the time I write all of this information that may or may not of made you take a deeper look at and question the motives of "the girl" this experience happens. It's clever timing regardless of what the being's behind the experience true motives really are. But personally I would try and control my sexual desires during dreams and projections as much as I possibly can. Because while "the girl" could turn out to be positive or negative it's still a wise practice nonetheless. Even if "the girl" means you no harm and is just taking that form to make things more comfortable for you there are a boatload of other beings roaming around the spiritual dimensions doing the exact same thing for the wrong reasons. And if you go around willfully participating in astral and dream sex on the regular eventually one of those beings will find their way to you and work their magic. The more you deny a being astral sex during conscious experiences the more it will become second nature which will carry over to non-conscious dreams, which is primarily when these types of things occur. And trust me that's the type of beings you would definitely prefer to avoid, at least I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to. But then again I've seen forums that are dedicated to teaching people how to summon a succubus and form a relationship with them.

[OtioseDodge]

Thanks Astral Explorer. I guess I view this OOBE as the culmination of a relationship I've been building over time with what I perceive to be positive spiritual entities (see my previous post on the evolution of this relationship). It's taken a fair amount of time to build up trust with these entities, and I'm by no means fully there, but I'm definitely leaning toward trusting them, just because they're consistently helpful and supportive. So far there's been nothing that's pushed me over the edge in terms of trusting them like I trust my best friends or parents, but I'm keeping the dialog going because basically everything seems to be going in that direction. It's frustrating that there's no definitive test that will result in trust, but obviously the same can be said IRL -- how do you decide that you'd trust someone you know with your life in a definitive way? Can that ever really be the case in perpetuity? Probably not. In any case, I'm approaching this relationship like any other -- with dialog and small steps forward to establish trust, because how can you trust someone without that?

As for the connection with what happened with the girl -- the reason why I trust more and more that it was positive is because the same (or at least what I think are the same) guides told me that it was her. So I'm using my relationship with these spiritual entities as a kind of stepping stone to trusting the experience I had with who I think was the girl.

All of this is very new of course, and there seem to be things happening every day which are new and which teach me more. At the root of all this, though, is the fact that I believe that I'll be able to get myself out of any scrape if I pray to God for help. Not any religious God, but just a force that really wants the best for us. And I think that connecting with that force through prayer, and having the best intentions, will see me through if I get lost. And my gut tells me I'm on the right track with all this stuff, and I think that once you sort through any emotional issues from your past (which I think I've done very thoroughly), that connection to intuition is also a very helpful partner on these types of paths. Without these types of approaches, I think it's easy to become paralyzed by doubt and second-guessing yourself.

[Elric]

Originally Posted by OtioseDodge

the reason why I trust more and more that it was positive is because the same (or at least what I think are the same) guides told me that it was her. So I'm using my relationship with these spiritual entities as a kind of stepping stone to trusting the experience I had with who I think was the girl.

One lesson that my Spirit teachers taught me very early on was to never compromise my ideals/beliefs just because a 'Spirit guide' suggested that I should.
Spirit guides are not necessarily infallible with complete knowledge & wisdom.

The Spirit teacher who has taught me the most about clearing negative entities for example, actually says the least. Who does not give me the answers, but rather, allows me to come to my own conclusions by asking me the right questions. I can tell when he agrees/disagrees by the questions he asks.

Intuition is often quite subtle & can be overwhelmed/confused by desires & wishful thinking. Tread carefully. Being led up the wrong path can lead to an unpleasant destination.
One can only be led astray if we allow it to happen.

Good luck & much Light to you : )

[OtioseDodge]

Thanks for the words of warning, Lucifer. :) I'll be sure to keep my wits about me.
Love and Light!
OD