Are we all One?

[Siemens]

I already tried to ask this question in another thread but I apparently formulated it in a mistakable way, so here is what I actually meant:


Does each human being has his own soul or do we all have one soul in common?


Since some of you use unfavorable definitions of words I have to make clear that:
With “SOUL” I denote the thing, mechanism, or structure that underlies (generates) our conscious experiences.

[Siemens]

I myself do NOT believe that we all are one. I believe that I have a soul that is different from the soul of other humans beings.
I believe that my soul is an energetic structure that could exist relatively independent from, for example, your soul.

[John32241]

Originally Posted by Siemens

I myself do NOT believe that we all are one. I believe that I have a soul that is different from the soul of other humans beings.
I believe that my soul is an energetic structure that could exist relatively independent from, for example, your soul.

Hi,

Yes we have a unique soul however that soul is entangled with everything else. The concept of oneness is that everything is connected and harmonized.

John

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by John32241

Hi,

Yes we have a unique soul however that soul is entangled with everything else. The concept of oneness is that everything is connected and harmonized.

John

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Would you say then as of your understanding, that the word or concept of oneness be replaced by the word ‘interconnectedness’ as more accurate?

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[weareunity]

Hello all---?!

I think the statement "All is one" can be understood by a person as a statement of logic, then may become a concept--sthg to ponder on, then may become viewed as an interconnectedness across time and space, then perhaps that person senses their part in that interconnection---at this point beginning to accept the reality of what that might entail, and then perhaps deciding to begin to live that reality in thought, word and deed.--as always--stumbling notwithstanding. at some point--maybe not dependant upon time but upon other factors which may influence that process--inspiration, guidance, love itself, sudden insight from experiences encountered etc.--at some point that person real---ises. the concept becomes reality for that person.

Oneness is not waiting to happen--it just is. what is waiting is for us to come consciously into that reality.

Some will have considered the role of love/loving in connection with coming into that reality.

petex

[John32241]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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Would you say then as of your understanding, that the word or concept of oneness be replaced by the word ‘interconnectedness’ as more accurate?

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Hi,

No I would not. Especially in India where oneness is understood a lot better than in other cultures.

I relate a lot to that energy of oneness with self. It is an intimacy. We have dark aspects of self as well as those divine aspects within us. That is not a connecting kind of thing. It needs to be inderstood as aspects of the whole self which we are.

Now applying that to All that Is in the same way is the goal. For that to happen the "I Am" needs to be fully embraced. The science of entanglement applies. A very hard intellectual adjustment to make for the brain works with things from a kind of isolation which in my view is fear based. The intellect will resist where the heart wants to go.

John

[Siemens]

Originally Posted by John32241

we have a unique soul however that soul is entangled with everything else. The concept of oneness is that everything is connected and harmonized.

vs.

Originally Posted by John32241

No I would not [say that the word or concept of oneness be replaced by the word ‘interconnectedness’ as more accurate]

To be connected or entangled with something doesn’t mean that you are ONE with that something, no matter how connected you are.
At least by my understanding the word “one” means that two or more things are one-and-the-same.


If you take the parts of a car which comprise ONE car as an example you couldn’t say that the steering wheel and the exhaust pipe are one. They are unique parts that are interconnected. In this view I would prefer that terminology.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by John32241

Hi,

No I would not. Especially in India where oneness is understood a lot better than in other cultures.

I relate a lot to that energy of oneness with self. It is an intimacy. We have dark aspects of self as well as those divine aspects within us. That is not a connecting kind of thing. It needs to be inderstood as aspects of the whole self which we are.

Now applying that to All that Is in the same way is the goal. For that to happen the "I Am" needs to be fully embraced. The science of entanglement applies. A very hard intellectual adjustment to make for the brain works with things from a kind of isolation which in my view is fear based. The intellect will resist where the heart wants to go.

John

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Thanks. That’s something to dwell upon.

(A late response from my side ... seems I’m not subscribed to this thread.)

It would appear that there are then shades or grades to stillness we experience. The fear or conditioning too as in association with the mind ... as the experiencer experiencing without the doer doing, meaning essentially surrendering, we as consciousness witness stillness, silence, bliss, the magnetised void, images & sounds in an acceptant observational stance without anticipation.

No finality, only continuity.

As of now I feel an interconnectedness but not a oneness even in the experience of Oneness.

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[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Siemens

I myself do NOT believe that we all are one.
I believe that I have a soul that is different from the soul of other humans beings.
I believe that my soul is an energetic structure that could exist relatively independent from, for example, your soul.

Well, if I may say, lol...Beliefs are not worth the paper they are written on!
Where is this belief coming from...where does any belief come from?

In other words, I am onto direct experience ...then, you know.
This is why masters (and many here) can say definitively...we are indeed,
all one, part of the One....or there is only One.
Any beliefs before this,ie, this direct, personal experience, mean nothing.

Sit...sit in complete stillness, almost unimaginable ...then, tell us what you come up with.
Go for it, stop the thinking...wait for it to be revealed, I say.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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Interconnected yes
About one ... doesn’t seem so ... yet

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