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Old 08-06-2017, 12:27 AM
FallingLeaves FallingLeaves is offline
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Book1 the process of naming things

over the last few months there's been talk about labeling things on these boards and some other utterings about names so I thought I'd share what the Tao Te Ching says about it in chapter 1 here.

A path that one can take
is not the path of entirety
A name that one can say
is not the name of entirety

The Heavens and Earth
Came about yet there were no names!
The 10000 things
are children of the process of naming

So in viewing entireness without desire for what the names should be
One will see subtleties
But in viewing entireness with desire for what the names should be
One will see boundaries.

There is but one thing here
And it goes about as itself, yet there are many different names for it
When starting to put these in the same category there is insight
Very deep insight
This is the gateway to the collective subtleties.

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Old 27-07-2017, 06:36 PM
ketzer ketzer is offline
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A few things, perhaps related?

Both Islam and Judaism prohibit the depiction of God for fear that the devotee will end up worshiping the depiction instead of that which it depicts.

I have found that whenever I come to a realization that I feel is somewhat profound (at least seems profound to me), I find that the more accurately and detailed I try to describe it, the further away from a good description I feel I am getting, until I eventually just give up.

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It now seems appropriate to me that such things as truth, reality, and the meaning of life, should evade capture by words and thoughts. I expect that any explanation of such things that I could craft with such blunt instruments would be inevitably and wholly unsatisfying.
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:45 PM
CammiRose CammiRose is offline
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Dont know what to think of this writings. But i like how it is. Its sounding nearly poetic.
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Old 14-11-2017, 12:23 AM
FallingLeaves FallingLeaves is offline
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A few things, perhaps related?

Both Islam and Judaism prohibit the depiction of God for fear that the devotee will end up worshiping the depiction instead of that which it depicts.
human nature to do so... we get addicted to our descriptions of things..
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I have found that whenever I come to a realization that I feel is somewhat profound (at least seems profound to me), I find that the more accurately and detailed I try to describe it, the further away from a good description I feel I am getting, until I eventually just give up.

Finally,
It now seems appropriate to me that such things as truth, reality, and the meaning of life, should evade capture by words and thoughts. I expect that any explanation of such things that I could craft with such blunt instruments would be inevitably and wholly unsatisfying.

kinda silly to suppose, I suppose, that you could take a small part of reality and map the entire reality in it. Kinda like trying to put a river into a milk jug. But we have our dreams I suppose.
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Old 16-11-2017, 04:00 PM
ajay00 ajay00 is offline
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Labeling of things is needed for functional, practical uses in the material world. But the issue is that we continue the labeling thought process even when we are not in the functional mode, forgetting to relax and switch the thought process off.

Seeing a rose, some start labelling it mentally, and analyse it as stamen, filament and anther compulsively, instead of seeing it as it is.

Thought is useful for material purposes, but when it becomes a compulsive addiction, it becomes unnatural and creates misery and psychological distress , which affects the body psychosomatically as well.

It is this disease of the mind which comes up with civilization, that Lao Tzu is perhaps referring to over here.
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Old 17-11-2017, 11:08 PM
FallingLeaves FallingLeaves is offline
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I think you are right we need words for practical purposes (mostly to communicate things to others or to get a handle on complex concepts) but the thing is every word makes a box around some part of reality. And people have a tendency to start looking at the boxes so intently they lose track of the reality...
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