Past Lives or First Incarnation?

[TheVisitor]

I have been reading on the theory of new souls-old souls and reincarnation. Generally it is supposed to be that new souls come from the animal kingdom if i am not mistaken? So their first human incarnation is one where they feel very attracted to life's pleasures, material wealth, etc. And they are kind of "clumsy" because of their inexperience. Correct?
In meditation or in general i have been thinking about my own past lives but nothing pops up. I feel like it is my first incarnation on this planet. But i am drawn to all things spiritual rather than material things. Like i have fallen to a lower condition, rather than upgrading from the animal kingdom to the human realm. It reminds me of the concept of "Wanderers" mentioned in the Law of One books.
So i feel like i am an old sould, but a first incarnation in a way. I have not been able to fit well with people or social structures, have been a rebel in my youth and feel this planet as a scary and illogical place very often. I feel uncomfortable with energies of people that are of a lower nature and even with earthly energies and the elements. Kind of like a visitor to this place, perhaps with a mission. I wasn't sure in my youth if the mission is to destroy what is, to make something better, or simple to go along with what is, trying to make it better on the way. Any comments?

[JosephineB]

Your post reminded me of this soul age article I read and found interesting. I don't know who Michael is or about this website in general btw. Nevertheless if it's of any interest:

www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html

[inavalan]

There are so many theories ... Whom to believe? Whom to even trust to be honest?

Also, I believe that we can't rationalize the higher truth either.

What I think to be the best option (neither faith, nor rationalization) is to look for answers and for guidance inside yourself, from your inner higher knowledge. You won't get the undistorted truth, but I believe it will help you on your evolvement path.

The progression is, as far as I believe / know: instinct, emotion, intellect, intuition.

We, humans, are here because we've mostly mastered our instincts, we are overwhelmed by emotions, we started to develop an intellect, and only heard of intuition. The path is to fully master our emotions, in order to be able to create what we want, also to fully develop our intellect, and develop intuition.

[TheVisitor]

Originally Posted by TheVisitor

I feel uncomfortable with energies of people that are of a lower nature..

I am characterizing the energies as "lower nature", not the people, obviously all people have the potential to express higher or lower nature energies (vibrations)...

[TheVisitor]

Originally Posted by inavalan

There are so many theories ... Whom to believe? Whom to even trust to be honest?

Also, I believe that we can't rationalize the higher truth either.

What I think to be the best option (neither faith, nor rationalization) is to look for answers and for guidance inside yourself, from your inner higher knowledge. You won't get the undistorted truth, but I believe it will help you on your evolvement path.

The progression is, as far as I believe / know: instinct, emotion, intellect, intuition.

We, humans, are here because we've mostly mastered our instincts, we are overwhelmed by emotions, we started to develop an intellect, and only heard of intuition. The path is to fully master our emotions, in order to be able to create what we want, also to fully develop our intellect, and develop intuition.

Isn't all religion, in a way, an attempt to rationalize the higher truth?

Inner knowledge yes, the inner guru as others say, i am trying to anchor myself there for good, haven't made it a complete reality yet. Intuition above intellect, above emotion, above instinct. Sounds logical. Master our emotions, or live according to our highest emotions, like love and compassion? Else what we create will mostly be based on ego or selfish desires?

Anyway, thanks for the response.

[TheVisitor]

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

Your post reminded me of this soul age article I read and found interesting. I don't know who Michael is or about this website in general btw. Nevertheless if it's of any interest:

Yeap, been there too. Interesting writer.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by TheVisitor

Isn't all religion, in a way, an attempt to rationalize the higher truth?

Inner knowledge yes, the inner guru as others say, i am trying to anchor myself there for good, haven't made it a complete reality yet. Intuition above intellect, above emotion, above instinct. Sounds logical. Master our emotions, or live according to our highest emotions, like love and compassion? Else what we create will mostly be based on ego or selfish desires?

Anyway, thanks for the response.

I believe that (most) religions originate from genuine altered states of consciousness experiences. Those experiences were interpreted by those who had them through the filters of their beliefs, emotions, and intellectual development, then others, purposefully or not, distorted the message until making it unrecognizable. Rationalization takes us further from the original message, as we don't have the capability to fully understand what is beyond.

Regarding emotions ... Love and compassion (as rationalization mentioned above) will lead us eventually to fear (e.g. of loss), anger (e.g. against the unloving and un-compassionate others), and to other negative emotions, that prevent us from creating what we intend to. The so called unconditional love, isn't love per se, but a non-dual state that doesn't generate a dual negative emotion.

When you go toward your inner higher knowledge you have to leave behind all you beliefs and emotions, to receive a raw message, undistorted as much as possible. When you say "ego or selfish desires" you already express a belief and an emotion.

[Jainarayan]

In Hinduism we believe that a human birth is the highest and most desirable, at least on this planet. However, that doesn't mean that a human can't "fall down" and be reborn as another animal. Being born human is a privilege and honor that altogether too many of us squander.

[Aethera]

Originally Posted by TheVisitor

simple to go along with what is, trying to make it better on the way.

I think this is pretty close to the approach that one should use. Especially if there are some things that are out of balance, you don't want to try to 'destroy' it. You want to transform those sort of energies, and you have a choice, to choose.. Cause I believe the intent 'to destroy', comes from the intent of lower energies. Which I don't think you want around you and lower energies contribute to chaos that is out there.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Aethera

I think this is pretty close to the approach that one should use. Especially if there are some things that are out of balance, you don't want to try to 'destroy' it. You want to transform those sort of energies, and you have a choice, to choose.. Cause I believe the intent 'to destroy', comes from the intent of lower energies. Which I don't think you want around you and lower energies contribute to chaos that is out there.

the problem with destroying things anyway is, you don't know what to put in its place? So unless you just wanna have fun it probably isn't worth it to go down that road.