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Old 14-05-2019, 12:27 AM
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what are mind and consciousness? 1

man's most profound and unchartered frontier is not some space beyond this earth as NASA and modern mechanistic science would have one believe. It is in fact the workings of mind and consciousness occurring within one's very own self. What are these phenomena that Descartes centuries ago reasoned soundly exist because one knows they think (cogito ergo sum of course). The materialist would have one believe that mind and consciousness are merely a biological process. But taking their argument sets up an infinite regress which is absurd. If consciousness is merely a series of patterns of electromagnetic impulses in the brain what then is the observer of consciousness? Is that also an electromagnetic impulse? If so humanity is collapsed to nothing more than prisoners within the spectrum of the mind's faculty of reason. Is that tenable? Hardly. Logicians also fail to grasp mind and consciousness relying on finite logic which then creates an artificial world of symbols that whilst perhaps logically sound cannot tell us if God exists or not. What then explains mind and consciousness? Indian metaphysics solved this conundrum millennia ago by presupposing consciousness to be non-matter. It defies finite physical laws. Based on that grounding epistemological issues are avoided and a sound ontological system explaining why one exists, why one dies, what is this world and who is God are all plausibly explained.

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Old 02-06-2019, 04:03 PM
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Book1 mind/intellect/concepts

Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts access via most complex bilateral organism, human consciousness processes



1} objectively harvest information via nervous system,
..bilateral hemi-spheres, 12 cranial nerves and 31 bilateral spinal nerves....



2} sort the information into catagories,
....numbers, sets, language, false, truth......



3} winnow out patterns and principles,
....triangle, synergeticall equals 1 + 1 = 4 and 3 + 3 = 12....



4} subjectively apply patterns and principles in support of self, family, humanity and Universe
....shelter, boat, car, nukes, micro-waves, telescopes etc....
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:00 AM
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that's materialism. The attempt to reduce all phenomenon to finite particles of matter. However mind and consciousness defy finite physical laws. To suggest the mind and consciousness are in fact matter sets up the absurdity of an infinite regress. If i am merely the interaction of electromagnetic impulses in the brain what then is the observer of consciousness? If the observer of consciousness is also the interaction of electromagnetic impulses in the brain then that is a pernicious cycle and logically unsound. Ergo consciousness is not grasped by finite logic or math or any other such thing.
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:05 AM
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what you have shown is the matrix of language that is a superfluous chain of symbols from the mind to the apparent objective world. Much like the cliched matrix (the movie) we live in a world of symbols. Most are too inert to see the symbols however which requires training. They then mistakingly believe the world around them to be reality when it is in fact augmented. The real world is ergo beyond finite logic and the symbols that define shapes and forms.
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Old 04-06-2019, 02:32 PM
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Book1 123, ABC, thats how easy Universe can be

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Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts access via most complex bilateral organism, human consciousness processes

Well known common sense fact and truth

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1} objectively harvest information via nervous system,
..bilateral hemi-spheres, 12 cranial nerves and 31 bilateral spinal nerves....

Also a well known common sense fact and truth

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2} sort the information into catagories,
....numbers, sets, language, false, truth......


Yet another well known, common sense fact and truth



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3} winnow out patterns and principles,
....triangle, synergetically equals 1 + 1 = 4 and 3 + 3 = 12....


A not so well known, common sense fact and truth.


The truth and facts exist for those who seek them, those who dont and those who scoff at them.




4} subjectively apply patterns and principles in support of self, family, humanity and Universe
....shelter, boat, car, nukes, micro-waves, telescopes etc....
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Mind and Consciousness are not even remotely the same thing. Consciousness is technically no more or less than "Awareness". Mind is things like Thoughts, Imagination, etc. Consciousness is just the very fact the sensory experience information you recieve. In it's most pure form it is like sheer and utter unbiased and unfettered observation.

Mind is something born from the combination of the abstract Soul/Heart/Essence/Feeling, and Consciousness. Emotions are ultimately just abstract comprehensions. Thoughts, ideas, concepts, opinions, beliefs, etc are all just Concrete Comprehensions, logic is just the same thing as feeling, but refined. An inherent sense for what is true based on strict logical deducations. This is also why Opinion can be wrong. Because Mind is unique to the individual, whereas Zen and it's 2 halves Zanshin and Mushin essentially describe the unfiltered truth. Which is why in every practice the "flow state" always ties in with perfect mastery of something. Because to master reality in any form, means you are unbiased and without inhibition to that thing.

"Acting without thinking" aka Mushin aka Ultra Instinct essentially means that true conscious agency is without Opinion or subjectivity. In order to succeed at something, you have to let go of your personal ego to BECOME. To Embody. This is what Bruce Lee talked about when he said to "Become water. If you put water into a tea cup, it becomes the tea cup. You put water in a bottle it BECOMES the bottle. Water can Flow, or it can Crash. Be Water my friend." He described Mushin as being like a pond of water. It's surface completely still without distraction. Meanwhile it reflects everything it "sees" perfectly.
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