can anyone answer this?

[white pegasus]

thank you, I decline the invitation

[Native spirit]

can we please keep this topic very civil and polite thank you

Namaste

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by white pegasus

may I suggest you attend a Bible Study-a non denominational Bible Study-I think your interpretation is a miss on the above quoted verse, sir.

read your Bible more closely and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you.

but let me just get ahead of the eight ball on this one so that we do not go back and forth again. lets agree to disagree. peace

Most Christians, as I had myself in my youth, study the Bible in a guided sort of curriculum. Personal study, and the continual asking of questions brings revelations and conclusions which may not always align with structured and classical Christianity.
That is, classic perspective and thinking.
Such as humanity's former state involving the angelic.

Aside from what Davidsun cited about reincarnation,
there are other conclusions to realize.
But, above all? The Messianic prophesies in the Old Testament remain valid, and finds such as the high profile Dead Sea Scrolls confirm the accuracy of our modern translations.

And Davidsun? Jesus' prophesied execution was no mere result or consequence of His adversarial stance with the status quo, or system.

It was fulfillment of God's plan from before the foundation of the world for mankind's sake.
While we are ensconced here, also, in the Matrix of time and space and percieve reincarnation as in a processive linear perspective, science today tells us about the greater reality and truth of the timeless.

[AHIYAH]

When they say Classical they mean the Classic Replacement Christianity, what with their Ishtar celebrations of commercialism and their stolen inheritance. It's ok I will make them very very tired. One sign is when they deny it happening and yet it is CREATED in them when it is Spoken in them. Ow Go On Now Ow. Can you paint me a picture of your albino mangod that lives in the sky with his dad who is himself? Oh no it's ok seen the picture before. As you were and return to your Mary worshipping that you're not worshipping but are worshipping while your not worshipping worshipping. I wonder why Jesus of the bible went so hard against not only the Pharisees but also the Scribes. I wonder what they were Scribing. It could be the anonymous writers of books compiled in the many bibles.

[Mystic Mark]

Originally Posted by Starlight

As a past Christian I am confused. I mean no disrespect here but can someone answer this question.
If the main lesson of Christianity is forgiveness and god forgiving all our sins, how can there be eternal hell?
Its a question I have asked numerous people who have skated around the issue and not been able to offer a straight answer. I struggle to understand this.

Before I answer your question, your confusing the Lord (Jehovah) with God (Elohim). Jesus's father was God (Elohim), not the Lord (Jehovah). God grants Salvation. Vengeance is of the Lord (Jehovah). What confuses people is that Abraham is the father of the Jews, yet Abrahams father was the Lord (Jehovah), whereas Jesus's father was God (Elohim). This becomes the whole gist for Jesus's argument in John 8:37-8:48. However, I can't explain the logic for it for the reason that this is a secret matter, meaning that we're all forced to live here on earth, and so we're all better off if people don't understand certain things.

The same is true in regards to Hell. In The Bible, sometimes the word Sheole is used to to describe it. Other times, the word Hades is used to describe it. I knew what the understanding is in The Bible, so I had to check to see if the Greek understanding matches. Hades is really Dionisus. That's how I know that it matches the understanding in The Bible. That being said, most people believe that Hell is a reference to a place that all sinners go after they die. The Bible refers to this as the second death. But this is not a reference to something that happens after you die. Hell is an Apocalyptic understanding. It's a form of punishment reserved for a select group of people who follow the ways of what The Bible refers to as the False Prophet. One of the most important prophecies in The Bible has already passed. Man just hasn't recognized it, yet.

That's all I have to say. That's all I'm going to say. Nor will I explain how I came to understand all of this.

[AHIYAH]

Heard the Fallacy about the name Elohim? Elohim is translated as God,Gods,Goddesses,witches,priests, angels etc. this is the Father of the False Messiah. Yes you are allowed to laugh at these people that want to kill YHWH.
These are the same people opposed the TRUE Messiah and all the other Annointed family members of YHWH. Remember their head wound supposedly healed and they stole the inheritance of the True Messiah. They have nothing left but repetition. They come from this SEED.
Baba Mezi'a 59b

Read from 1 and pay close attention to 6

R. Nathan met Elijah6 and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, 'My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.' It was said: On that day all objects which R. Eliezer had declared clean were brought and burnt in fire.
You should get an idea of how these twisted minded so called sons think. Lets just sit back and watch them and their fail games.

[Mystic Mark]

Elohim of the Old Testament and Theos of the New Testament are the same thing (God). You want me to give you the proof that the Lord (Jehovah) is not Theos. Sorry, not gonna happen.

John 8:42 - "If God (Theos) were your father, you would love me, for I came forth from God (Theos) ... "

Correction - Elohim is the plural form of the word. I meant to say El.

[white pegasus]

Motpheus,

Hi I am copying and pasting your post here:

"When I peruse the other religion sub forums, and threads, where are the people demeaning and denouncing those Faiths? And in disaffected and hateful manner?
Especially in the Islamic forum, at this time period, and day.
Take a look and see if you note any.

So what are people like this in the Christian subforum, such as, "Jack", and their aliases... doing? Acting in such a manner?
And?
What does this type of activity, and behavior, reveal..?
What does this tell us about them?"
__________________________________________________ ____________

I really like what you question Morpheus-I like it because it communicates my thoughts exactly. I question with sincerity why people who make known that they are no longer a Christian-come to a "Christian Category" and post their beliefs. I question why they attempt to expand upon a post that they read as if they are somehow helping the poster out by clarifying the posters thoughts.

While I do not intend to insult, judge, criticize, etc-I am confused to this phenomenon. I ask myself, why these posters do not begin a different category of posts that are in alignment with what they believe-why post in a thread of chirstian if one does not believe in it-subscribe to it.

I guess my question is-is the purpose to try and convert a Christian to their belief system?

Let me state first and foremost-my intention in putting this question out in public-I am not saying that others beliefs are wrong-and Christians beliefs are right. Its not a matter of who knows the truth-who is right and who is wrong-this is not the issue for me.

My issue, concern, question-why post in a Christian forum if that is not a belief? why comment on anothers post if in that original post they have not "asked" for opinion, advice, your thoughts, etc

why comment on someones post as if the post needs clarification?

this past week I have noticed I am very puzzled by this occurrence as it happens frequently.

again as a final note-I am not trying to cause arguments, hurt feelings, judgement on ones belief system-my purpose in posting this thread is to try and understand.


so as a final note-I would like to add-if one cannot answer the question without attacking, baiting, etc-in other words if one cannot answer the question in a civil manner and polite manner-please try to refrain from answering.

[AHIYAH]

Elohim of the Pharisees. Teehee

[AHIYAH]

Originally Posted by white pegasus

Motpheus,

Hi I am copying and pasting your post here:

"When I peruse the other religion sub forums, and threads, where are the people demeaning and denouncing those Faiths? And in disaffected and hateful manner?
Especially in the Islamic forum, at this time period, and day.
Take a look and see if you note any.

So what are people like this in the Christian subforum, such as, "Jack", and their aliases... doing? Acting in such a manner?
And?
What does this type of activity, and behavior, reveal..?
What does this tell us about them?"
__________________________________________________ ____________

I really like what you question Morpheus-I like it because it communicates my thoughts exactly. I question with sincerity why people who make known that they are no longer a Christian-come to a "Christian Category" and post their beliefs. I question why they attempt to expand upon a post that they read as if they are somehow helping the poster out by clarifying the posters thoughts.

While I do not intend to insult, judge, criticize, etc-I am confused to this phenomenon. I ask myself, why these posters do not begin a different category of posts that are in alignment with what they believe-why post in a thread of chirstian if one does not believe in it-subscribe to it.

I guess my question is-is the purpose to try and convert a Christian to their belief system?

Let me state first and foremost-my intention in putting this question out in public-I am not saying that others beliefs are wrong-and Christians beliefs are right. Its not a matter of who knows the truth-who is right and who is wrong-this is not the issue for me.

My issue, concern, question-why post in a Christian forum if that is not a belief? why comment on anothers post if in that original post they have not "asked" for opinion, advice, your thoughts, etc

why comment on someones post as if the post needs clarification?

this past week I have noticed I am very puzzled by this occurrence as it happens frequently.

again as a final note-I am not trying to cause arguments, hurt feelings, judgement on ones belief system-my purpose in posting this thread is to try and understand.


so as a final note-I would like to add-if one cannot answer the question without attacking, baiting, etc-in other words if one cannot answer the question in a civil manner and polite manner-please try to refrain from answering.

What it should tell you about them(depending on the them) is that they're fed up with the hypocrites of this replacement religion prancing around with its pagan festivals which is made law and was once forced on people. This is the angle I am coming from and so are the rest of my Spiritual Family. Isaiah 57:14 pick and choose which of the bibles translation that tickles your manly. If you're a man.