Non duality = Entropy?

[r6r6]

Is 'simple place' better than 'complex', or vice versa?

Is a 'better place' a less complex place, or more complex place?

Little zen boat/vehicle{ less complex } is more concerned with saving the person/individual.

Big zen boat/vehicle{ more complex } is more concerning with saving humanity.

Mediation is simple.

Chanting is more complex.

Communication of concepts is more complex.

Communication of concepts, and integrating a group as cohesive whole to assemble an occupied space{ stuff } place to do all of the above inside out of rain and cold is more complex.

Universe is complex.

Humans are complex with woman being more complex than man ergo the most complex entity of Universe, barring scenarios that involve two or more humans ex Earth full of humans, in solar system in galaxy etc.

Frequency as physical/energy comes to us in two ways, lots of little bits ergo lots of smaller booms or larger set of little bits as a large/big BOOM!

Knowing this and or that, leads to understanding and understanding leads to comprehension of a greater whole.

r6

[LibraIndigo]

Originally Posted by r6r6r

Is 'simple place' better than 'complex', or vice versa?

Is a 'better place' a less complex place, or more complex place?

Little zen boat/vehicle{ less complex } is more concerned with saving the person/individual.

Big zen boat/vehicle{ more complex } is more concerning with saving humanity.

Mediation is simple.

Chanting is more complex.

Communication of concepts is more complex.

Communication of concepts, and integrating a group as cohesive whole to assemble an occupied space{ stuff } place to do all of the above inside out of rain and cold is more complex.

Universe is complex.

Humans are complex with woman being more complex than man ergo the most complex entity of Universe, barring scenarios that involve two or more humans ex Earth full of humans, in solar system in galaxy etc.

Frequency as physical/energy comes to us in two ways, lots of little bits ergo lots of smaller booms or larger set of little bits as a large/big BOOM!

Knowing this and or that, leads to understanding and understanding leads to comprehension of a greater whole.

r6

Better places as in other planets and or dimensions with higher frequencies. Interestingly enough I also had this conversation with a NASA physicist that I met at a bar (yes a bar!). Being in the scientific community that he is in...it is so uncool to believe in God. He explained to me that religion is bull**** because once one starts to understand physics, what one might perceive as an "angel" or angellic being could simply being a being in a different dimension. He also believed in reincarnation but he said he believed that it had nothing to do with God and that and that it is mostly simply a part of the laws of nature that we don't understand yet. We pretty much butted heads on almost everything but we did agree on one thing, that what most people perceive as "heaven" is simply another dimension.

[Freekre8]

Originally Posted by LibraIndigo

This is funny. I had a discussion with a Satanist on facebook. She agreed with me that there are better places, but she said however it is way too hard to get there and almost in impossible, therefore she is a Satanist . I guess to each their own

Its too hard to accend so might as well descend?
That is quite the polarization

[Freekre8]

Originally Posted by r6r6r

Frequency as physical/energy comes to us in two ways, lots of little bits ergo lots of smaller booms or larger set of little bits as a large/big BOOM!

r6

E=mc2 a perfect example of short and too the point: with all the energy you waste on words you might do better to invest making what you say more accessible to read.
Imagine this: if you put more energy down range than you need when driving a car you get wheel spin making over exertion counter productive.
But thats just some advice take it or leave it.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Freekre8

Slightly off topic now I know but I was thinking how spirituality has been around for like ever?
But most people aren't spiritual and if spirituality was really so advantageous wouldn't everybody be spiritual right now?
Like spirituality is almost like losing touch with your primal instincts in favour of higher truths?

Yes spirituality has been around for practically ever. I don't have the article to link it but I remember hearing once that in a study of chimpanzees there was a rudamentary religious system. Apparently religion and spirituality isn't unique to humans.

I realize that most people are not deeply religious or spiritual, however I've found that most people have some form of basic spiritual beliefs that guide their life. For example "this is good, I need to do good things", or "God is real". It's like saying everybody has a little bit of spirituality, but only a minority are very disciplined in their practice of it.

Also the definition of spirituality is very loosely defined. Some people define spirituality as something like "the beliefs that give our life purpose". So atheism and agnosticism and even science are all spiritual systems in some way. Science especially, it gives so many people structure to how they see the world, and often people follow science as if it were a religion. I've also heard great philosophers, like Alan Watts, consider science to be a form of religion and spirituality. However he described science as "the religion of no religion".

Spirituality, at least the forms I know about, mostly tells us to be aware of things and accept them as they are. This doesn't mean rejecting one thing in favor of another that we perceive as higher.

As for advantageous, there are systems of spirituality that aim to help us live in harmony with the material world. There are systems that tell us we should not participate in the "rat race" and that we should be more focused on our inner world.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by r6r6r

Ive laid out my cosmic heirarchy in many threads around here over the years, and the primary set of cosmic threes from it in many other threads. My previous-- stated again below ---is pretty simple duality set and only involves the only two primary kinds of space.

Finite = having integrity

Infinite = non-integral

If my concepts/scenarios, as presented, exist, then we have at minimum, the duality of macro-infinite non-occupied space and finite occupied space.

"U"niverse does not get any simpler than this dual set.

( ^v )( v^ )

( * )( * )

( * ) I ( * )

"U"niverse: The Cosmic Hierarchy
....1a} metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept ergo concepts of God, Universe, Space, Concepts etc.....
........spirit-1 aka spirit-of-intent........

-----line---of---demarcation---------------------------------------------------

...1b} macro-infinite non-occupied space aka metaphysical-2

....1c} finite, occupied space Universe aka UniVerse

2) Universe: Occupied Space aka God, Cosmos, UniVerse etc....

....2a} fermions and bosons
......aka observed physical/reality as observed time aka spirit-2.........

......2b} gravity
...........aka quasi-physical or metaphysical-3 and spirit-3......

......2c} dark energy
.........aka quasi-physical or metaphysical-4 and spirit-4...........
================================

Here is a link to more twoness type stuff.
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=105282

I have other links to many other threads that are some of the same above or related directly or tangentally.

Here is a line{ ( } and has at minimum two parts concave and convex.

R6

Thank you. This is a lot more helpful

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Freekre8

Its too hard to accend so might as well descend?
That is quite the polarization

From what I hear and understand it's much harder to descend.

What I would define as descension is that things become more painful, more rough and abrasive, more confusing.

What I would define as ascending is that things become more clear (but not necessarily less painful, sometimes more painful), things become simplistic and intuitive, and that there are other beings willing to help with whatever the obstacle or challenge may be.


From what I hear of Satanists, they typically describe their spiritual path as one of ascension (although they may call it a descent). However if we take the Christian viewpoint and consider satanism we would call it a descent that is full of the illusion of ascension. Also the two systems arose from each other. Satanism is based on Christianity, so naturally there is going to be enmity between the two. It's cats and dogs.


I've never traveled both paths fully so I can't speak to either. However it seems like it's more a debate of terminology than anything else.

Also if a person has come to believe they are worthy of hell and pain, as many satanistis believe, then they would feel as if descent is the right choice to make. However, is it ever the right choice to encourage harmful and negative self talk?

As a rational and stable person, if my inner dialogue tells me to punch myself in the face I tell it I'm gonna punch it in the face! I most certainly don't go "well, I guess I deserve a punch in the face." EVEN IF i feel as if I do deserve a punch in the face, I act on what I believe not what I feel.

[LibraIndigo]

Originally Posted by shivatar

From what I hear and understand it's much harder to descend.

What I would define as descension is that things become more painful, more rough and abrasive, more confusing.

What I would define as ascending is that things become more clear (but not necessarily less painful, sometimes more painful), things become simplistic and intuitive, and that there are other beings willing to help with whatever the obstacle or challenge may be.


From what I hear of Satanists, they typically describe their spiritual path as one of ascension (although they may call it a descent). However if we take the Christian viewpoint and consider satanism we would call it a descent that is full of the illusion of ascension. Also the two systems arose from each other. Satanism is based on Christianity, so naturally there is going to be enmity between the two. It's cats and dogs.


I've never traveled both paths fully so I can't speak to either. However it seems like it's more a debate of terminology than anything else.

Also if a person has come to believe they are worthy of hell and pain, as many satanistis believe, then they would feel as if descent is the right choice to make. However, is it ever the right choice to encourage harmful and negative self talk?

As a rational and stable person, if my inner dialogue tells me to punch myself in the face I tell it I'm gonna punch it in the face! I most certainly don't go "well, I guess I deserve a punch in the face." EVEN IF i feel as if I do deserve a punch in the face, I act on what I believe not what I feel.

I was really tempted to read the Satanic Bible after having a discussion with her. She seemed so sure it was the right path. However, I am not sure what types of things can be corded to me just from reading it so I decided to read about it on Wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible

From simply reading briefly about it what I gather from my limited information is that their "ascension" consists of their conscious mind programming and taking control of the subconscious mind. I would say it's an ascension but a limited one where additional power and energy would have to be stolen from others. From my understanding, full ascendion is when the conscious mind allows the superconcious to program both it and the subconscious and everything becomes one.
That part about what their "ascension" is in only speculation.

[LibraIndigo]

I didnt mean for the picture to be that big

[Freekre8]

Originally Posted by LibraIndigo

I didnt mean for the picture to be that big

I have a similar viewpoint to that picture except the collective would ofc be linking more than one consciousness together, like a mountain range.