Cause of existence

[BlueSky]

Buddhism seems to teach that existence has a cause and that cause is clinging to existence, good or bad.
Is this why Buddhists dont want to come back?

It is such a sad religion from my perspective but then again
I can't imagine what lies beyond existence.

[Silver]

You may be misunderstanding both dependent origination and emptiness. Some people think accepting that we all get sick, hurt and die is focusing on the negative. Accepting reality isn't focusing on negative. They also apparently think we focus entirely on rebirth, which is an easy mistake to make, especially if your experience comes from pop culture.

The "existence has a cause and that cause is clinging to existence" doesn't even make sense to me.

The only thing I can think is that you are talking about the cycle of rebirth, that we are stuck being reborn again and again because we cling to life/existence. Which in a way isn't entirely incorrect, but yeah, major misunderstanding and leaving out some very big parts of those teachings.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Silver

You may be misunderstanding both dependent origination and emptiness. Some people think accepting that we all get sick, hurt and die is focusing on the negative. Accepting reality isn't focusing on negative. They also apparently think we focus entirely on rebirth, which is an easy mistake to make, especially if your experience comes from pop culture.

The "existence has a cause and that cause is clinging to existence" doesn't even make sense to me.

The only thing I can think is that you are talking about the cycle of rebirth, that we are stuck being reborn again and again because we cling to life/existence. Which in a way isn't entirely incorrect, but yeah, major misunderstanding and leaving out some very big parts of those teachings.

But why then the negative as being "stuck" in the cycle of rebirth? What's wrong with rebirth in Buddhism? I think they see existence as negative but I don't so I'm asking.

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

But why then the negative as being "stuck" in the cycle of rebirth? What's wrong with rebirth in Buddhism? I think they see existence as negative but I don't so I'm asking.

People always doing wrong with life that cause karma. Karma has the cause and effect or result way of arrangement for life that's not controlled by human himself. This is Buddhism teaching and belief.

And physical world is more suffering than spiritual realm that's maybe human wrong perception. Of course, human birth, get old, get sick and death. No one can escape this process. And rebirth is to suffer again as human but when a person never rebirth then he's as easy living as Buddha or God.

These reasons may let human to see negative on rebirth process. It isn't a surprise notion at ancient time that most people are poor and suffering. Life is hardship. And nowadays, maybe a lot of people are rich but their life may feel empty and without direction or meaningless may also cause suffering.

People are beings that's hard to be satisfied in nature. But for those who is easy going may feel less suffering no matter he's rich or not.

[Bohdiyana]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

But why then the negative as being "stuck" in the cycle of rebirth? What's wrong with rebirth in Buddhism? I think they see existence as negative but I don't so I'm asking.

I would say they don't see existence as negative, but see existence here as negative. I think it's more about we are here, in this "land of suffering" because of our nature or ignorance and negative karma. Our consciousness determines where we are born or live. So if we reach enlightenment and nirvana etc, purify what we are, then other realms are more suited to us. Basically, the earths energy is dense and course and is a low vibration and we are here because likes attract each other. We are of a lower vibration and consciousness so earth is where we are suited. As we raise our vibration or our nature, this attunes us to other worlds that are also of this vibration or nature. Buddhist give up desire. They don't seek money or fame or pleasure or other worldly things. Most of the societies and cultures of this place are built around seeking and acquiring these things. One can watch the news, or tv, or movies, to see why this place is viewed to be of a lower nature.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Bohdiyana

I would say they don't see existence as negative, but see existence here as negative. I think it's more about we are here, in this "land of suffering" because of our nature or ignorance and negative karma. Our consciousness determines where we are born or live. So if we reach enlightenment and nirvana etc, purify what we are, then other realms are more suited to us. Basically, the earths energy is dense and course and is a low vibration and we are here because likes attract each other. We are of a lower vibration and consciousness so earth is where we are suited. As we raise our vibration or our nature, this attunes us to other worlds that are also of this vibration or nature. Buddhist give up desire. They don't seek money or fame or pleasure or other worldly things. Most of the societies and cultures of this place are built around seeking and acquiring these things. One can watch the news, or tv, or movies, to see why this place is viewed to be of a lower nature.

Even A mature person doesn't seek those things because they are selfish he sees that. Buddhism like you see this existence as negative and do not want to come back it seems. I wonder do they see creation as negative. Maya maybe. I think so.
It's either a very sad religion possibly for the depressed or his words like Christs have been misunderstood IMO

[sky]

Originally Posted by Silver

You may be misunderstanding both dependent origination and emptiness. Some people think accepting that we all get sick, hurt and die is focusing on the negative. Accepting reality isn't focusing on negative. They also apparently think we focus entirely on rebirth, which is an easy mistake to make, especially if your experience comes from pop culture.

The "existence has a cause and that cause is clinging to existence" doesn't even make sense to me.

The only thing I can think is that you are talking about the cycle of rebirth, that we are stuck being reborn again and again because we cling to life/existence. Which in a way isn't entirely incorrect, but yeah, major misunderstanding and leaving out some very big parts of those teachings.

Not all Buddhist traditions believe in rebirth which complicates things even more
Some Zen traditions believe that rebirth happens from moment to moment.

[Silver]

I'm learning along with you about things related to Buddhism. It seems very complicated sometimes, and while I'm not exactly an expert, my curiosity is alive because of the good my 2-3 years of studying have brought me. I just google, go to youtube, etc. to learn more. It can be quite a challenge for western minds like mine, to grasp Buddhism. I also belong to a forum for beginners. NewBuddhist.com

Incidentally, my Buddhist 'bible' is Old Path White Clouds, biography of Buddha written by Master Thich Nhat Hahn. (TNH for short).

[Ground]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

Buddhism seems to teach that existence has a cause and that cause is clinging to existence, good or bad.
Is this why Buddhists dont want to come back?

Buddhist believers dont want to come back because they believe in re-birth. If there is no belief in re-birth buddhism may be applied to realize rational aims.

Originally Posted by BlueSky

It is such a sad religion from my perspective but then again
I can't imagine what lies beyond existence.

Nothing lies beyond 'eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas'.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

Buddhism seems to teach that existence has a cause and that cause is clinging to existence, good or bad.
Is this why Buddhists dont want to come back?

It is such a sad religion from my perspective but then again
I can't imagine what lies beyond existence.

i guess if you don't cling to cause you open yourself to exist more open and free to be, which naturally then might open up a greater potential of existence you might not notice if you stay trapped in cause. The mind loves to give reason as to why the way is chosen, as do beliefs. I prefer to just let the way show me without attachment even as I may pass through what arises..