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Old 24-02-2018, 09:08 PM
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It's never been this cold before where I am. I need to buy some heaters!
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Old 25-02-2018, 02:22 AM
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As I've been saying for some time...man-made- global warming is nonsense!

The truth is that temperatures on earth are controlled by sun cycles...not by CO2 emissions...cow farts... or anything else here on earth that we can control.

The sun goes through regular cycles of varying solar output...hotter for periods....cooler for periods.

While the media has been quaking about global warming and the earth getting hotter....the truth is that since a peak in 1997...1998...global temperatures have been slowly falling.

Now the last two or three years we are seeing snow in places that lie between the tropic of Cancer and the tropic of Capricorn....that's the tropics!!! ......Like Hawaii and the Sahara desert

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/10/1...r-climate-cold

The Sahara has a near 0C average minimum temperature in the colder months, so on the very rare occasion there is precipitation on a particularly cold night, that would be snowfall.

I think the mountains in Hawaii have snowfalls quite frequently.

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And record levels of ice at the poles

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...f-record-highs


The search I just did show NASA reporting record sea ice at record lows at both poles in 2017 (long term graphs available on the link). If the ice cap has increasing ice, that's due to higher snowfalls, which is indicative of higher winter temperatures. Snow doesn't fall when it is very cold. We'd expect higher summer temperatures to balance that out, though.

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Winters all over the world have been colder and more harsh the last few years.

They expect greater extremes of temperature, so that is agreeing with 'global warming'.

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Why is this worrying????

Because historically colder periods have always been harder on human being then warmer periods. As far as I'm concerned...bring on the heat!!!
Are there problems for humans associated with warmer periods? Some, but not really all that bad.

Colder periods on the other hand are so much worse for the human species.
The last major period we had of reduced solar output (known as the maunder minimum) happened from 1645 to 1715 and was at times exacerbated by natural events such as volcanic activity.

Global temperatures dropped and the effect on the human population was profound!
Crops failed and millions starved to death!

See "mini ice age" for reference on this period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

So now it looks again as if we are heading into a long predicted period of reduced solar activity......

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...little-ice-age


That's true, sunspot activity has been remarkably low since the low peak of 2012. It's possible this has affected the 'leveling out' seen on global temperature charts. If so, should sunspot activity increase, we would expect a return to warming trends.

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This is scary stuff....because as I said...historically cold times are always harder on us than warmer periods are!!!
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Old 25-02-2018, 04:35 PM
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Currently .....More than 30,000 top PhD climatologists world wide have now signed on that not only is the earth not warming...but getting colder!

Quote the science supporting this, not the spin you re reading somewhere. This kind of argument has no merit, unless you got observed scientific FACTS supporting this. I think you are into something else that has nothing to do with Global Warming, going by how I am seeing you post here.
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Old 25-02-2018, 05:14 PM
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You've already made it clear that you're not interested in the official sources that I've posted links to..why bother posting more.....

Frankly...I find you so incredibly annoying on any number of threads I've read your posts on that I feel like putting you on ignore so I wont have to read the nonsensical xxxx you write.

And it's not simply that I disagree with you positions......I sometimes will completely disagree with Gem....but I always respect what he has to say and enjoy his debate.......you on the other hand are just....very annoying!
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Old 25-02-2018, 07:17 PM
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I read your links. Very Political....Yep, this is about something else that has nothing to do about Global Warming.
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Old 27-02-2018, 03:58 AM
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either side of this debate could be spin... both sides have something to prove. And both sides have enough of a back story that they could explain away any phenomena satisfactorily from their own point of view.

But one side has quoted 'facts' consistently whereas the other side has said there are 'facts' and it is all 'scientific' but not presented anything solid; only emotionally charged rhetoric referencing these 'facts' and 'science'. Anyone want to guess which side seems more plausible just based on the arguments given here? If you strip away the strong emotions and rhetoric and look at the actual arguments made?
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Old 28-02-2018, 03:19 PM
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A recent article on Arctic Warming:

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Seasoned observers have described what is happening as “crazy,” “weird,” and “simply shocking”
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Old 04-03-2018, 11:14 AM
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As I've been saying for some time...man-made- global warming is nonsense!

The truth is that temperatures on earth are controlled by sun cycles...not by CO2 emissions...cow farts... or anything else here on earth that we can control.

The sun goes through regular cycles of varying solar output...hotter for periods....cooler for periods.

While the media has been quaking about global warming and the earth getting hotter....the truth is that since a peak in 1997...1998...global temperatures have been slowly falling.

Now the last two or three years we are seeing snow in places that lie between the tropic of Cancer and the tropic of Capricorn....that's the tropics!!! ......Like Hawaii and the Sahara desert

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/10/1...r-climate-cold

And record levels of ice at the poles

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...f-record-highs

Winters all over the world have been colder and more harsh the last few years.

Why is this worrying????

Because historically colder periods have always been harder on human being then warmer periods. As far as I'm concerned...bring on the heat!!!
Are there problems for humans associated with warmer periods? Some, but not really all that bad.

Colder periods on the other hand are so much worse for the human species.
The last major period we had of reduced solar output (known as the maunder minimum) happened from 1645 to 1715 and was at times exacerbated by natural events such as volcanic activity.

Global temperatures dropped and the effect on the human population was profound!
Crops failed and millions starved to death!

See "mini ice age" for reference on this period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

So now it looks again as if we are heading into a long predicted period of reduced solar activity......

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...little-ice-age


This is scary stuff....because as I said...historically cold times are always harder on us than warmer periods are!!!
I some ways I agree and I disagree. Yes the climate is changing. Part to natural and human doing. Earth does have its own warm and cold cycles. Really freaky weather does happen. It has for all of Earth's history. I am from Wisconsin. A few years ago we had a tornado in February. We don't get tornadoes here that often let alone in February. That doesn't mean the world is going to end. I do feel we're warming up slowly. Due to both nature and human. Over Earth's history many kinds of life has come an gone without any human interference. I believe whats hurting earth "human" the most is overpopulation.living my in the north my whole life there is a warming trend. I don't pay attention to the latest news not even sicenctific reports. I do pay attention on my surroundings and I am very aware any small event especially in nature can set off a slow chain reaction. But I guess everyone has to blame someone. For what is changing and has been.
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But the good I've seen the past few years. I call it progress, buy the people who choose to roll up there sleeves instead of opening there mouths. Where I live over the past few years I seen a huge increase of eagles, great white pelicans,snowy owls, some might not be excited about the coyotes and wolves I have seen more than ever but that's progress on nature's terms. That's due to the people really wanting to make a difference. It inspiring to me! I am not interested in "fake news" no matter who it comes from but it's a beautiful world. Let's make a difference instead of wasting that energy yelling at each other. I also know there's a lot of trump fans out there, honestly I am not one of them. But just like the coyote he has his place. I am not going to degrade him for who he is. Like I said many times before it's takes all kinds to make the world go around.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:25 PM
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either side of this debate could be spin... both sides have something to prove. And both sides have enough of a back story that they could explain away any phenomena satisfactorily from their own point of view.

But one side has quoted 'facts' consistently whereas the other side has said there are 'facts' and it is all 'scientific' but not presented anything solid; only emotionally charged rhetoric referencing these 'facts' and 'science'. Anyone want to guess which side seems more plausible just based on the arguments given here? If you strip away the strong emotions and rhetoric and look at the actual arguments made?

I dunno - I privided a NASA link about record low sea ice, and they measure that stuff, so they'd know. They reported increases in sea ice in 2016, so it seems they aren't particularly biased, and just report the facts as far as sea ice is concerned. In 2016 they reported more sea ice, in antartica but also cautioned jumping to conclusions because of warmer ocean temperatures, so some of us who read the 'detail' already suspected that 2016 was an anomaly in the shrinking ice trend.

The issue with the raw data is it can be read in different ways, so the naysayers will read it in a way that suports their bias as will alarmists of the Gore variety, but the scientists are well aware that raw data doesn't speak to anything in particular, and are very careful about how they interpret it.

When the press gets hoild of 'the latest study' they make ridiculaous claims, so if you ask the author of the study they will clarify that they did not say what the press reported. Naysayers leap on things like that and create statistics about how many scientists don't agree with global warming, but on the whole the evidence for a warming trend is very well established - it's just a lot smaller than the alarmists claim.

Then we really don;t have a clear answer, because 'climate models' are not good at long term projections, and thinks could turn and start a cooling trend at any time, but it would take like 50 -70 years to even begin to statistically verify a climate trend.

That's why, at the moment we can only say there is a warming trend even though it hasn't be warming on a global scale for the latest 30 years or so. In all likely hood it will resume warming soon enough, but the real balanced interpretation of data could only predict between 1 and 2 deg C per century, with ups and downs along the way. But that's just the best we can get from real data, and not a statement that can be made with a great deal of certainty.

In short, it's the weather, and there are many things that effect change, so basically, anything could happen... we just make the best guess we can given the measurements we take.
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