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Old 29-05-2018, 03:41 PM
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Have you ever heard of the artist Thomas Kinkade inner? He paints quaint scenes often with a cottage nestled in it. I believe he is depicting our 'cottage' experiences. I think many have that kind of experience for one reason or another.

Yep! I made it through my tribulations in this life and finally got past those nasty stumbling blocks. It was tough but I made it.
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Old 29-05-2018, 04:09 PM
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First of all, I just ask this question just to know it, not for planing anything like this.

I have thought about several cases which could apply:

1. One have a normal life and, for some reason, decides to take this decision.

2. One have some chronical disease.

3. One have some kind of disability.

4. One sacrifice himself to save others.

5. One decides to take bad habits to "speed up" the dying process.

I would like to apologise if this question has offended to anyone.

I think it depends on our state of consciousness, what is in our mind, at the time of physical death.
If a person is trying to escape a particular feeling or situation by ending their physical existence they
most likely will have a different experience than a person who sacrifices their life to save others.
Both are considered suicide, although one is more altruistic.

A great philosopher, Socrates, was sentenced to death, and at that time in Athens the death sentence
was carried out by the person dinking poison; essentially committing suicide. Suicide used to be an
acceptable practice sanctioned by the courts, and even today suicide is considered acceptable, although
less than in the past, by some in Japan, i.e. hari-kari or seppuka, a form of ritual suicide dealing with honor.

Suicide is viewed differently around the world, dependant on the dominant religious beliefs in a particular society.
An while people in wealthy nations, like the U.S., Switzerland, Japan, etc., live longer than people in poorer
nations, people in wealthier nations generally commit suicide more than people in poorer nations. Which in my
opinion has something to do with being spoiled by creature comforts.

Personally, I do not think the same thing happens to everyone in the afterlife who dies the same way.
There is great diversity here on earth and beyond. Do you think everyone who is murdered experiences
the same thing in the afterlife?

A person who takes their life for medical reasons is often assisted by a doctor, as assisted suicide is legal
in many states in the U.S. Dr. Jack Kevorkian, M.D. was famous for doing this. There are books, like the book,
“Final Exit,” that instructs people how to efficiently take their life. Because some who attempt suicide end up
causing, and living with, physical or mental damage from a botched suicide. Having worked in the medical field
I have seen this many times.

I do not advocate suicide but I do believe that in spite of perceived free-will, the universe, God if you will,
knows what we are going to do before we even think of doing it. According to the Christian Bible Jesus knew
Judas was going to betray him even before Judas knew he would betray him. He also knew Peter would
deny him, before Peter knew, according to the Bible.

I believe in karma and reincarnation, and that people are born here on earth for a certain purpose, and they
reincarnate because they have unfinished business; they have to balance the scales. I base this belief on
me having witnessed Past-Life Regression therapy sessions (Transpersonal Psychology), having had out-of-body
experiences myself, and embracing our physical body as a part of nature, and nature recycles everything.
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Old 29-05-2018, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hesitant_man
First of all, I just ask this question just to know it, not for planing anything like this.

I have thought about several cases which could apply:

1. One have a normal life and, for some reason, decides to take this decision.

2. One have some chronical disease.

3. One have some kind of disability.

4. One sacrifice himself to save others.

5. One decides to take bad habits to "speed up" the dying process.

I would like to apologise if this question has offended to anyone.

Generally speaking, if someone chooses to terminate their Soul lessons before they are completed, then the delaying of the evolution of the Soul's Consciousness will occur. A Soul will repeat the same lessons they avoided within a different setting. Often times, it is much more challenging to repeat a lesson so it is easier and advisable to learn the lessons the first time around.

The various scenarios that you posted would make an excellent point of discussion, but the same general concept that I listed above can be applied. In each of those scenarios, you can ask yourself, "Is this the Highest intention of the Soul to learn its Divine lessons by taking action this way?" Also, what might be the answer for one Soul in one scenario might not be the same for another.

And ultimately, regardless of how everything and anything plays out, a Soul will eventually and inevitably complete its Divine lessons and accomplish all it sets out to achieve; the flowering and beautification of Consciousness. :)

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Old 29-05-2018, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hesitant_man
First of all, I just ask this question just to know it, not for planing anything like this.

I have thought about several cases which could apply:

1. One have a normal life and, for some reason, decides to take this decision.

2. One have some chronical disease.

3. One have some kind of disability.

4. One sacrifice himself to save others.

5. One decides to take bad habits to "speed up" the dying process.

I would like to apologise if this question has offended to anyone.

Whatever you fear that would happen, that's what you'll experience, for a awhile. Then you'll wake up and put it behind you. It's that simple. (It isn't fair that suicide bombers will enjoy themselves for awhile.)
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Old 29-05-2018, 09:33 PM
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... the delaying of the evolution of the Soul's Consciousness will occur. A Soul will repeat the same lessons they avoided ...

Compared to eternity, any finite delay is insignificant.
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Old 29-05-2018, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hesitant_man
First of all, I just ask this question just to know it, not for planing anything like this.

I have thought about several cases which could apply:

1. One have a normal life and, for some reason, decides to take this decision.

2. One have some chronical disease.

3. One have some kind of disability.

4. One sacrifice himself to save others.

5. One decides to take bad habits to "speed up" the dying process.

I would like to apologise if this question has offended to anyone.

The consequence of suicide is that you die lol. Considering death is a rare and treasured experience, it should be done with the utmost care and diligence. You only get to die once you know! best to go out on a good note.

I think death is just a blink of the cosmic eyes. One moment you are alive, you blink and there is some black, but then your eyes open up again and you are in a new place but still feel the same sense of "I" and have a sensation of a body (feeling of aliveness within you, maybe consisting of arms and legs, maybe consisting of an amorphous cloud).

I also think of death and the process of dying like a rock rolling down a hill. The momentum carries on into the next life. The emotional momentum, the identity momentum, the momentum of your entire being just keeps going.

if a person dies of suicide, they are most likely in a profoundly negative state of mind and emotions. And based on my beliefs, that negative state is just going to continue after death. so death by suicide really never helps anything, actually just makes things even more difficult imo.

2. depends on the chronic disease, but in general it's not OK to take your own life under any circumstances. If you have ANY ability to help other people, then you should cling to your life. Even if all you can do is help people with advice, listen, or be helpful in some other way.

3. There is no disability that is worth taking the life. Well, maybe a few. Like very very late stage alzheimers where a person doesnt recognize anybody and is literally a few months away from dying anyways. Under a few rare and special circumstances I'd understand. but for 99.9% of conditions I say there is no good reason. Paraplegic? so things got a little rough. you dont give up though, you fight through it. mentally ill? same thing. gotta learn to fight through it!

4. a sacrifice is not a suicide.

5. I've heard people call this "subtle suicide". its actually very common. A lot of people do this, maybe even millions or tens of millions. A ridiculous amount of people do it lol.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...subtle-suicide
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Old 29-05-2018, 10:09 PM
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The consequence of suicide is that you die lol.

Best laugh on the forums today. Lol
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Old 29-05-2018, 10:35 PM
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if a person dies of suicide, they are most likely in a profoundly negative state of mind and emotions. And based on my beliefs, that negative state is just going to continue after death. so death by suicide really never helps anything, actually just makes things even more difficult imo. ...
So you're saying that's better (for soul, or whatever) to extend that "profoundly negative state of mind and emotions" while living too.

I don't believe that "suffering" is required, or useful to soul evolvement. Actually the opposite!

I don't advocate suicide, but instilling fear in those poor troubled minds is wrong, because after death the fear of retribution for what they did will put them through an imaginary hell, all too real for them.
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Old 30-05-2018, 12:03 AM
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Compared to eternity, any finite delay is insignificant.

I would have to say that the finite delay while seemingly small and inconsequential compared to Eternity, is not insignificant at all. Every experience and every challenge that a Soul goes through however "big" or "small" is important and vastly meaningful to the collective Divine. :)
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Old 30-05-2018, 11:12 AM
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Well, I commit suicide in my last life and I do remember what happened afterwards. I commit suicide because I was a virgin who was sexually violated. It was complicated. I had an overbearing father who was looking to marry me off and if it was found out I was not a virgin all hell would have broke lose. I was very terrified of my father's wrath. So I commit suicide.

I'm surprised you did not include those who have been hurt in some way and find suicide the only way out.

Anyway, I wrote the following in another post recently about my suicide and what happened afterwards.

There was no hell, no judgement other than me judging myself. There was nothing but support and understanding.

Anyway here's what I wrote.

I commit suicide in my last life. I remember having my life review and being very disappointed in myself. I was so shameful. I wanted to go somewhere to think. I just couldn't seem to grow spiritually beyond a certain point. Many lifetimes of distractions in some form or another.

So several guides/angels took me to a gray planet. We passed through space passing planets and even a group of people floating in space engaged in group sex

Once we got to the gray planet I was directed to what looked like a huge bubble. The surrounding terrain was gray and flat with no vegetation or other landmarks. I could see an oasis inside the bubble with trees, a cottage and a horse next to the house.

I walked in the bubble and was amongst the oasis setting. This bubble was like a hologram (Star Trek). I could go for miles and miles once inside the bubble. But once I was inside, I couldn't go out of the bubble. I was in this bubble for quite a long time.

There were residents who lived on the gray planet who would come and watch me. I called them the 'murmurers'. They wore plain robes with sandaled feet and all they did was murmur (gossip) amongst themselves. They irritated me to no end. Eventually they would go away (murmuring). But every so often they would be back.

While I was in this bubble I took walks, rode the horse, there were orchards, streams, meadows, just about everything you would expect in the setting. I would use the cottage when I needed privacy from the murmurers or just to take a nap. I don't think there was night there.

As I said I was there for a very long time.....thinking. And when I had thought it all out, a Being appeared and took me out of the bubble (long story short).

I went before a 'council' and told them what I wanted to accomplish in this lifetime and how I wanted to accomplish it. It was pretty ladened with some bad stuff. And they truly tried to discourage me. But I was adamant. And so I am here.

Oh, I also remember my soul coming back to this plane. I was falling. Falling. Falling. I was excited and thinking of what I would accomplish in this lifetime and all the stuff that would happen to me and how that would occur. I was positive that this time I would get past my stumbling block. All the while falling.

As I fell further it went from bright to dim. And dimmer and dimmer. And I remember taking note of that. And as things became dimmer I felt myself further away from the Source of Light. And as I was further away from the Source I began to have doubts as to my life-plan. And then everything went black.

There are many, many, many, many planes of existence on the other side, which one may term 'heaven'. All of them are different and are at a different vibration. Where one goes when they leave the body depends on their own individual vibration, i.e., where they are spiritually. And also where in their subconscious, they term 'heaven' as being.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=122922

I must say that's a very interesting post about the afterlife and quite detailed as well. If I may ask, this planet with the bubble you visited, was it a physical world like Earth or a spiritual world?
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