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Old 10-03-2019, 08:50 AM
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By the way, I just want to mention - i used to like Indiana Jones, but now I see, that, in my opinion, it tries to make that little Indian society, that village to look like some religious idiots, who are ignorant and definately being inferior to the western culture. This i dont like.

The film showcases the thuggee cult, which indulged in human sacrifice.

This is a superstitious practice, like sati, which had no basis in the Vedas.

In fact, you can see in the Ramayana, Rama's lieutenant Hanuman battling and killing Mahiravana who indulged in such human sacrifice.

Similarly, in the Mahabharatha, Krishna along with Arjuna and Bheema, challenged Jarasandha, who similarly indulged in thuggism or human sacrifice, which Krishna deplored, and slayed Jarasandha.

For superstitious reasons, such practices persisted, and they were wiped out few centuries back.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:21 AM
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The film showcases the thuggee cult, which indulged in human sacrifice.

This is a superstitious practice, like sati, which had no basis in the Vedas.

In fact, you can see in the Ramayana, Rama's lieutenant Hanuman battling and killing Mahiravana who indulged in such human sacrifice.

Similarly, in the Mahabharatha, Krishna along with Arjuna and Bheema, challenged Jarasandha, who similarly indulged in thuggism or human sacrifice, which Krishna deplored, and slayed Jarasandha.

For superstitious reasons, such practices persisted, and they were wiped out few centuries back.

Right, I didn't know that.
What about those stolen sacred mythical stones that were nourturing the village? The Leader of the village explained, that the stones had been given to them by Shiva Himself.
They were stolen by the Kali worshippers...I think it was Kali...
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:09 AM
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Right, I didn't know that.
What about those stolen sacred mythical stones that were nourturing the village? The Leader of the village explained, that the stones had been given to them by Shiva Himself.
They were stolen by the Kali worshippers...I think it was Kali...

That is just part of the movie's story and has no basis in facts.

Thuggism or human sacrifice however has had a factual basis in India due to superstitious beliefs, similar to Sati and casteism.
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Old 10-03-2019, 03:28 PM
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There have been so many translations and purports given to the original Vedas and Upanishads, that unless one can read and understand Sanskrit, it is ALL pretty much up for interpretation - it is why I leaned Sanskrit.


Couldn't agree more! I learned Sanskrit for exactly the same reason. I am now translating Ādiparva of Mahābhārata.
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Old 11-03-2019, 09:16 AM
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Jainism,maybe worth a look and resonate with you.
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Old 17-03-2019, 12:31 PM
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Namaste.

Max Muller has been criticised by academics, but his translations are perhaps the easiest to understand for a lay person.
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=...elNG0HgkA0057I

Then, Swami Krishnananda from the Divine Life Society wrote some rather good translations on the Vedas and Upanishads...

https://www.swami-krishnananda.org/hist/hist_1.html

However, in the digital age, enter the glorious beauty of Android Apps...

https://www.google.com/search?q=upan...obile&ie=UTF-8

*just click on the down arrow to see them all*
The same can be done for the Vedas:

https://www.google.com/search?q=veda...obile&ie=UTF-8

Aum Namah Shivaya
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Old 13-11-2019, 12:50 PM
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no matter how "perfect" the original or translations of texts are said to be, it does not mean the readers understanding of same will be perfect. So we could spend a hundred life times seeking out and accumulating knowledge of the best and perfect texts which could help us a lot to a point but then still miss or forget that which shatters our conceptual limits in the blink of an eye and has been right under our noses all along. (so to speak)
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I don't know how far the o.p. has gotten in the quest to read translations of the Vedas, but I wouldn't bother. The Vedas are not where the philosophical and theological foundations of Sanātana Dharma will be found. You'll find that in the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, the Puranas, the Tamil writings, the Itihasas. The Vedas are largely poetry, hymns, praises to various gods (stotras, suktas, stutis), rituals. Just my opinion, so no one need get butthurt.
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Old 14-11-2019, 05:23 AM
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I don't know how far the o.p. has gotten in the quest to read translations of the Vedas, but I wouldn't bother. The Vedas are not where the philosophical and theological foundations of Sanātana Dharma will be found. You'll find that in the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, the Puranas, the Tamil writings, the Itihasas. The Vedas are largely poetry, hymns, praises to various gods (stotras, suktas, stutis), rituals. Just my opinion, so no one need get butthurt.
Actually, I couldn't agree more.

The only Veda I read more than once and actually cared about was the Rig Veda and pretty much only because of the Gayatri and Mahamrityunjaya Mantras - and all of the ways to perform the sacred rites and rituals.

From there, I studied the Agamas and Shastras but I didn't place much importance on the Puranas and Itihasas, even though I loved all the tales of the Leelas of the Divine...but I decided just to study the Tantras and Shiva Sutras instead.

I read about a dozen of the major Upanishads (some are still part of the Vedas prior to Yajur Veda IIRC) and most notably, the Katha, Kena, Isha and Chhandogya Upanishads which are probably the most notable of the Upanishads with the inclusion of the Mandukya Upanishad as well...but that pretty much set the stage for everything that either followed it or preceeded it...."That Thou Art"...yeah, thanks...I got it about 10 Upanishads ago. LOL

From the Rig Veda, the Agamas, Shastras, Upanishads and Tantras, I moved more along the lines of Raja Yoga...I studied Patanjali, Swami Svatmarama and the Nath tradition although I still had a love deep within for the whole Ancient tradition...I mean, I spent MANY an hour watching the Ramayana Ballet, the Monkey Dances...lost count of the number of times I watched Sita being abducted and Garuda go looking for her...lost count of how many times I have seen the Tamil Bharatnatyam and the Apsara temple dances of Thailand...the Wayang Kulit puppet plays of central Java to the background drawl of Puja Trisandhya....there is something definitely in all of that because I can feel it in my DNA "bones"..there is a sense of "belonging" there, if nowhere else.

Of course I studied the Shiva Purana... don't know what I think about Devon ke Dev Mahadev though...when I was knee-high to a grasshopper, we had regular video instalments of all the Puranas on TV...which were more humorous and educational than informative...the very first attempts at Sanatana Dharma based "edutainment"...this still detracts NOTHING from the content of the Puranas and Itihasas though...they are timeless pieces of work (especially the backstory of the Mahabharata).

...but I was too busy studying Tantra to really get caught up in all of that side of it though...and when I ran out of books in Sanskrit to read all about Shakti, the Chakras, Kundalini Yoga...I had a look see at the offerings that Sir John Woodrofe from the Theosophical Society produced...followed by Pundit Gopi Krishna...which led me on to becoming a student of Harish Johari for a while..but 2-3 times a week, I would be down at the temple eating khitcheree and watching the latest rendition of what the tribes of the Kakawin (Sunderland) had on offer... cannot escape the "calling".

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no matter how "perfect" the original or translations of texts are said to be, it does not mean the readers understanding of same will be perfect. So we could spend a hundred life times seeking out and accumulating knowledge of the best and perfect texts which could help us a lot to a point but then still miss or forget that which shatters our conceptual limits in the blink of an eye and has been right under our noses all along. (so to speak)
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