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I had not known about Mooji - only discovering a few of his videos now.

Because one cannot feel his ‘energy field’ or presence from the videos, I wondered what it was that made some people laugh so hard (?)

But it must be the nondual awareness that suddenly dawned on them.
It would make prostrating in front of the Guru (Mooji) the F-U-N-N-I-E-S-T JOKE as well, absolutely hilarious.

With nondual awareness – you both become totally transparent to each other, knowing each other more intimately than being intimate.
There is no colour or culture difference there, no East or West nor indigenous vs white separation in that.
(though at the same time it is interesting to me that Mooji goes to Spain a lot)

If that is what is happening – non-dually seeing each other through and through - how could one not trust that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm2iK60qEm0

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I think Mooji's ashram is in Portugal so Spain is on his door step, but there have been reports about misconduct on his part, philandering with the students, financial impropriety, interfering in human relationships, and the standard cult-like 'praise Mooji' all God like, and that sort of thing. This turns my guts, so I keep clear, because when filling a role as a spiritual teacher, one's sila has to be beyond reproach or we create an unreasonably high potential for harm. I cant possibly advocate Mooji or his school because I don't think the safety is adequate. In Buddhism we have, or at least we should have, a foundation of Sila because having high integrity creates a safe refuge. That's why we couldn't have a teacher philandering with students, profiting from our school, or 'getting' anything, when the order of spiritual teaching is to give while expecting nothing in return. A fellow such as Mooji can speak of enlightenment all his life long, and I can speak of simpler things such as truthfulness, right conduct and appropriate boundaries, but I know how to create safe places which are worthy of refuge where people can be vulnerable in safety, which it seems some 'masters' do not.

Non dual awareness doesn't make a person a decent bloke, and it doesn't give a person higher order skill sets which the position of 'teacher' requires, and it doesn't equip them to organise an ashram which is a haven worthy of refuge.

It would be best for people to keep clear of spiritual schools. Some say find a good teacher and so on, but not me. I say grow up, be an adult and stand alone. Be truthful, walk in the truth no matter what happens. If there is a place which provides the facilities which are conducive to serious meditation practice, by all means take advantage of that, but don't become besotted with 'guru' followings, don't take anything as 'answers', and keep that truth of oneself strong.
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I feel Mooji is off too.
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I think Mooji's ashram is in Portugal so Spain is on his door step, but there have been reports about misconduct on his part, philandering with the students, financial impropriety, interfering in human relationships, and the standard cult-like 'praise Mooji' all God like, and that sort of thing. This turns my guts, so I keep clear, because when filling a role as a spiritual teacher, one's sila has to be beyond reproach or we create an unreasonably high potential for harm. I cant possibly advocate Mooji or his school because I don't think the safety is adequate. In Buddhism we have, or at least we should have, a foundation of Sila because having high integrity creates a safe refuge. That's why we couldn't have a teacher philandering with students, profiting from our school, or 'getting' anything, when the order of spiritual teaching is to give while expecting nothing in return. A fellow such as Mooji can speak of enlightenment all his life long, and I can speak of simpler things such as truthfulness, right conduct and appropriate boundaries, but I know how to create safe places which are worthy of refuge where people can be vulnerable in safety, which it seems some 'masters' do not.

Non dual awareness doesn't make a person a decent bloke, and it doesn't give a person higher order skill sets which the position of 'teacher' requires, and it doesn't equip them to organise an ashram which is a haven worthy of refuge.

It would be best for people to keep clear of spiritual schools. Some say find a good teacher and so on, but not me. I say grow up, be an adult and stand alone. Be truthful, walk in the truth no matter what happens. If there is a place which provides the facilities which are conducive to serious meditation practice, by all means take advantage of that, but don't become besotted with 'guru' followings, don't take anything as 'answers', and keep that truth of oneself strong.

i agree with much of what you said. i dont know anything about moji and not saying he is or isn't anything.

but its true imo spiritual development doesn't make you equipped or good at things as you suggested.

my way of dealing with such is different. i treat the situation like anything else in life. if somebody has the power and wishes to offer it then great. but just like going anywhere else. or dealing with anyone else. dont get caught up in nonsense.
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Since I haven’t met (witnessed) Mooji personally – can’t really say what he is or what he isn’t.
So being swayed by either for or against would only be my mind's assumptions.

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Non-duality is like a light switch turned on ……… & how one handles the situation is a delicate balancing act.

I have got Lama Yeshe’s “The Bliss of Inner Fire” book.
In it he talks about tasting chocolate – as if tasting chocolate was all that mattered, but I didn’t know what he meant by this chocolate.

With the Mooji ‘dilemma’ it suddenly dawned on me – non-duality is the chocolate.

Tasting chocolate is important, but it is a fine extempore art/act. And how any of us would handle it personally (moment to moment anew) is anyone’s guess - (since predetermined ‘handles’ would no longer apply).

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For me there is the truth of myself and the truth about myself, so I have no claim of enlightenment or any sort of special person, but as far as I am able I remain self-aware, and where I find my own self judgments, I discern the good qualities from the bad qualities, also understanding the pure and impure aspects of the person who I am. With what we call the 'right effort' I can ameliorate the impure complexes that create suffering in my life and cause misery to others, and I can cultivate my purer virtue that leads me to the attention and care others are worthy of, but that aspiration to perfection is dependent on my self awareness, and as well I can to the depth of my conscious awareness, I remain truthful in that regard.

My role in life comes with the responsibility that those I encounter be benefited, and never harmed, so I hold a high standard of integrity to ensure this life I live will result in the world being better off, at least in some small way. This, to me, is the higher order of things, so I have little concern for who might or might not be enlightened, and rather, prefer to mingle among kind and honest folk. My talent has been to be free of want, so within my relationships I want nothing from my peers, and we can form relations, professional, personal, counsel/client, or another type, by framing the boundary conditions that define and create the optimum conditions for mutual benefits and happiness.

It is my belief that our respective lives, and the lives of all beings, are also the one life, and at the root of all these expressions of personality and natures there is a unified connection - and there is something well and beyond that gives rise to the propensity to see all things with the utmost purity of love, which is also core in my heart, and yours.

As a person living a life here I have a very small part in the cosmos, but an integral part with the potential to bring metta into all aspects of my day to day so that all whom I encounter are benefited in some way no matter how insignificant that might be - and in ways I don't even know about.

I have to live in the world where everything is worth - time is money, after all, and I have no dispute with that - but I also believe in a higher order of generosity through this self-expression with a heart free of want - and this begins my trust called refuge in the dhamma; my comfort with uncertainty and allowances of nature's way. All I can do from that perspective is be as true to life as I can be though the shadows of ignorance I have. It's not anyone I have imagined and try to be, nor another figure I want to live up to, but an aspiration, none-the-less, for what is actually true.
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