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Old 19-05-2019, 10:39 AM
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OK, thanks.

Maybe it's too late to mention but the post of mine that started all this was based upon the recognition of the Biblical god as he/she/it as an existing force (of some kind) in the minds of that book's readers or believers.

Alright, Busby.
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Old 19-05-2019, 01:14 PM
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OK, thanks.

Maybe it's too late to mention but the post of mine that started all this was based upon the recognition of the Biblical god as he/she/it as an existing force (of some kind) in the minds of that book's readers or believers.
Never too late too 'move' 'on' 'in' positively loving relational Flow, aye what, Busby?

From the treatise I am composing:

"Every aspect of Being, including ‘you’, is an influenced and influential, hence functionally integral, aspect of The Flow* of Creativity,* without exception. [Note: these asterisked words reference the same features of Life that Jesus/The Bible metaphorically alluded to as ‘the Son’ and ‘the Father’ (which many also think and speak of as Christ and God, respectively), just in more action-descriptive terms I think.]"
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Old 19-05-2019, 01:50 PM
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Just imagine how the world would change if God would speak quite clearly to all of the 8 billion Earth inhabitants at the same time and say something like this: On the 2nd of May this year the sun will appear in the sky as always but it will be green. It will stay green for one complete turn of the planet so that everyone can see it and so know, following my words to you all, that I am.

This would be no skin off God's nose and would allow us to get on with things. And as we also know changing the colour of the sun for a day would be easy, requiring only a miracle, of which there are many in the Bible, so having a decisive miracle 2000 years later could only be positive.

This would solve quite a number of obvious problems and we wouldn't be requested 'to believe', something which has caused and still causes friction and has no point anyway. Instead of believing (in whatever) we'd KNOW.

Then we could live our lives accordingly without fighting among ourselves as to who is right. Let's get rid of all 'beliefs', all superstitions, all religious traditions, all church buildings, all professional preachers, all funny clothes, hats, bishops and popes and their ilk - in fact let's rid ourselves of the whole pot and be able to look God directly in the eye.

Why should he/she/it want it to be otherwise.?????




Well, according to the bible, God once behaved just like you wish. Yet Adam and Eve were not satisfied with such a life. They wanted the knowledge of good and evil for themselves. When we were young children we trusted what our parents told us because we were too young to understand some things for ourselves. As we grew older, we no longer wanted to just do as our parents told us, we wanted to understand for ourselves. Often we got into trouble this way, but we learn things from experience, that often cannot be taught any other way.
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Well, according to the bible, God once behaved just like you wish. Yet Adam and Eve were not satisfied with such a life. They wanted the knowledge of good and evil for themselves. When we were young children we trusted what our parents told us because we were too young to understand some things for ourselves. As we grew older, we no longer wanted to just do as our parents told us, we wanted to understand for ourselves. Often we got into trouble this way, but we learn things from experience, that often cannot be taught any other way.
Yes. I think, there is some wisdom which 'The Bible' conveys in this regard.
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Old 19-05-2019, 04:42 PM
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Well, according to the bible, God once behaved just like you wish. Yet Adam and Eve were not satisfied with such a life. They wanted the knowledge of good and evil for themselves. When we were young children we trusted what our parents told us because we were too young to understand some things for ourselves. As we grew older, we no longer wanted to just do as our parents told us, we wanted to understand for ourselves. Often we got into trouble this way, but we learn things from experience, that often cannot be taught any other way.

Had I been Adam (or Eve) I wouldn't have been satisfied either. Hanging around in the Garden of Eden tilling the ground, maybe for all eternity would drive anyone to change things regardless of the outcome.
In addition I'm one of those people who cannot for one moment imagine that we are here 'to learn by experience', simply because there isn't much point in such a process.
However I'll readily admit that it could be that 'God' maybe desirous of experiencing everything there is to be experienced (within the set-by-nature parameters of the universe) achieves his/her/its target by employing us (in a loving manner) as his instruments of experiencing physicality). Once 'God' has achieved h/h/i goal along comes a new universe with a new set of parameters - leading to new experiences.

Ask Brahman. That's what he appears to do, spending billions of years breathing in and a further billions of years breathing out...
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Had I been Adam (or Eve) I wouldn't have been satisfied either. Hanging around in the Garden of Eden tilling the ground, maybe for all eternity would drive anyone to change things regardless of the outcome.
In addition I'm one of those people who cannot for one moment imagine that we are here 'to learn by experience', simply because there isn't much point in such a process.
However I'll readily admit that it could be that 'God' maybe desirous of experiencing everything there is to be experienced (within the set-by-nature parameters of the universe) achieves his/her/its target by employing us (in a loving manner) as his instruments of experiencing physicality). Once 'God' has achieved h/h/i goal along comes a new universe with a new set of parameters - leading to new experiences.

Ask Brahman. That's what he appears to do, spending billions of years breathing in and a further billions of years breathing out...




Perhaps the two concepts are one in the same.
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"Ask Brahman. That's what he appears to do, spending billions of years breathing in
and a further billions of years breathing out."

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What a great way to put it!!!!!
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Yet Adam and Eve were not satisfied with such a life.
They wanted the knowledge of good and evil for themselves.

According to the Bible...(I wasn't there, so I dunno)....
It wasn't exactly as you put it.
They were tricked, bamboozled....by the flesh or ego or an actual separate being called the devil...I dunno.
It wasn't as if they were not satisfied....I'm satisfied often ....then someone tempts me with their triple chocolate cake.
...slithering snakes out there, I tellya!!!!
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According to the Bible...(I wasn't there, so I dunno)....
It wasn't exactly as you put it.
They were tricked, bamboozled....by the flesh or ego or an actual separate being called the devil...I dunno.
It wasn't as if they were not satisfied....I'm satisfied often ....then someone tempts me with their triple chocolate cake.
...slithering snakes out there, I tellya!!!!




tricked? bamboozled? While many religious authorities would like us to think so, I am not so sure. As always, it is difficult to separate the bias of the reporter from the account of the events. The serpent told them that if they eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would become as God, at least with respect to this sort of knowledge anyway. Perhaps they should have asked just how bitter the fruit may taste before taking a bite, but it seems to me the knowledge of good and evil is at least one thing they (we) are getting with this life experience. Though the fruit may be rather bitter, perhaps it is better for us then we know. They say ignorance is bliss, yet it seems to me ignorance is often the underlying cause of prejudice, hatred, and violence. Perhaps this bliss of ignorance is a fleeting thing (especially when we become aware that our neighbor has a triple chocolate cake and we can't understand why they refuse to share).
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