When Differing Theories Conflict...

[metal68]

Just wondered how you resolve them??

A great example of this is the Michael newton books; I was quite impressed by the books and quite a few of the other afterlife authors have based much of their work on his research.

Then I read Jurgen Ziewe's take on this and (especially stated on his site) he is quite a sceptic on the afterlife details of the hypnotic regressionists, saying some, maybe not all, but still some is coming from the subconscious.
Strangely enough, Jurgen seems to be corroborating much of the rather old fashioned accounts in The World Unseen.

Id always found the Newton thing about energy based bodies somehow more believable than things describing it as having a real body but now I don't know what to think.

How do we sort out the wheat from chaff when it comes to afterlife evidence??

[linen53]

I'm reading Michael Newton's second book right now.

I have read a lot of books on the afterlife and death. Most agree, some do not. When there is a conflict between information, I just put it on a shelf (in the back of my mind). I don't feel I have to decide what is right for me at the time. Eventually more information will be forthcoming and I will make a decision.

Also, follow your heart. You have all the answers inside of you. What "feels" right is what is right for you.

[Clover]

I'll have to check out his books. There is so much variety out there when it comes to these types of subject. Im always shifting ideas, I go back and forth with it.

The thing about theories is that they're just that, theories. No one can prove them. One this we do know is certain is that we as a species create life and we DIE. That is guaranteed. Maybe we as a culture place too much emphasis in the past of what was and on the future of what could be that we fail to see that everything we need to know about the existence of who we are is in this present moment."existence doesn't have to go on any more than a moment".

I love listening to Allan Watts, especially on life, death and the Ego. I understand he is not everyone's cup of tea,he takes more of an Eastern approach, but I love listening to his lectures from the 60's..

For kicks if your bored. His perception on death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=8&v=4dxRdPLw3Es

[linen53]

Clover, I really like him. Thanks for sharing.

[Marcus79]

My understanding is that our spiritual bodies feel solid but are a form of energy and a counterpart of how we look physically but younger. From Heaven Revealed by Alan Valiant:

'It did not take me long to re-adapt myself to the spiritual life but I
should like to explain to the reader what our world is like. After my
departure from my physical body, I found that I still had a body,
similar in shape with a head and limbs but flawless. In appearance, I
had reverted to the age of nineteen. This is the spiritual body which
retains the facial characteristics of the incarnate body but which
rarely looks older than nineteen or twenty.

Our spiritual bodies feel as solid to us as our physical bodies
did. Although we exist in an environment that is very similar to that
of earth in many ways, there are some amazing differences. We do not
seem to have internal body organs but we may eat and drink if we
wish. Everything that we desire we produce by a thought process. For
example, if I wish to eat a cake, I make a mental replica of one and
it appears where I want it to in solid form. I can then eat it.

As I have no internal organs to process and dispose of the food as
is the case with physical bodies, the cake, or whatever I eat or
drink, diffuses into my body and is absorbed as a form of energy.

We cannot feel pain in our bodies but can experience a greater
range of emotion than those on earth. Since our environment reflects
our spiritual and mental state, we can recreate, for example, the home
that we enjoyed on earth and, on Plane Six, my present plane, the
beautiful cottage, in which I enjoyed a wonderful life with my dear
husband and two children has been recreated for me by architects and
builders who specialise in such work.

Everywhere on this plane are scenes of great beauty - flowers,
trees, hills, valleys, rivers, seas and an eternal brilliance of an
indescribably beautiful hue in the heavenly sky. There is no sun
visible, however.'

[Clover]

Originally Posted by linen53

Clover, I really like him. Thanks for sharing.

Yes, he is amazing. I listen to him in the background when I am doing my chores. Most of his lectures are from the 50-60's way before this second push of new age authors in the market today.

Just a few of my fav quotes.

"The meaning of life is just to be alive. It is so plain and so obvious and so simple. And yet, everybody rushes around in a great panic as if it were necessary to achieve something beyond themselves."

"Never pretend to a love which you do not actually feel, for love is not ours to command"

"…tomorrow and plans for tomorrow can have no significance at all unless you are in full contact with the reality of the present, since it is in the present and only in the present that you live.”

[linen53]

Those are really good quotes. I especially love the first one.

[Fairyana]

You can add to your book The Astral City, a book written by automatic writing by medium Chico Xavier in 1944. The author is the spirit of doctor André Luiz.

Here's a link to the book http://www.oconsolador.com.br/linkfi...AstralCity.pdf

There are parallels comparing the above quotes from Heaven Revealed by Alan Valiant.

There is a spirit body and spirit do eat occasionally as a way to recharge energy. Some spirits go days without eating and for some the process of nutrition can go "beyond the imagination". I guess these bodies don't have organs, it's kind of like a garment, but less "grosser" than the body we have in physical life.

The city meant for healing, which is where André Luiz ends up, is a very beautiful one with flowers, valleys, rivers and all that. There is a very interesting passage about the unknown properties of water. :)

They way I view all these differences is not that one is wrong and the other is right. In spiritism "there are many mansions in my father's house" is interpreted as there are many planes of existence, many astral cities, many degrees of conscious evolution and so many possibilities.

It is possible that the more one progresses their consciousness, the less need they have of a body so that very elevated consciousness in the astral can simply be light or energy with no human appearance. Waldo Vieira in his astral projections said that when he left the astral to go the the higher astral planes, he felt like he shed his spirit body into a more ethereal substance. He compared the umbilical cord as the means the consciousness gains the physical body, the silver cord a means the consciousness gains a spirit body and then this other process by which he leaves the spirit body into whatever it is.... I guess the ultimate stage is when you are left with nothing but your consciousness and if God is the cosmic consciousness, then I guess that's gotta be the closest. Another author said we are like rays of sun, the sun being God, and we go into this process of going back to the source. So this all seems to be pointing to a same process. But then if another says that this process doesn't happen, may be they are right too because many may not see themselves in such a process. :)

[knightofalbion]

I would recommend anything by Silver Birch and 'Life In The World Unseen' by Anthony Borgia.

Another book, only small but totally engrossing, 'The Golden Key' by Percy Welsford. A very comforting work.

[linen53]

Yes, knight, Life in the World Unseen is a good one. I have one Silver Birch book but haven't read it yet.